Sweden: Socialstyrelsen's new national guidelines for "Postcovid and other related conditions and syndromes" including ME/CFS

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  1. mango

    mango Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Socialstyrelsen underkänner WHO:s kunskapsunderlag om postcovid
    https://fof.se/artikel/socialstyrelsen-underkanner-whos-kunskapsunderlag-om-postcovid/
     
  2. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I follow politics a lot. Especially the rise of disinformation, propaganda, and so on. It's common in some political circles to make all sorts of wild claims about this and that in public, but in formal settings, in court, in depositions, in inquiries and so on, under oath, they all admit that it's all BS. Sometimes it creates problems, but usually it barely matters because reality matters less and less. They'll keep spewing the lies in public, and if in a private formal setting they are asked again, they will again show temporary contrition about their lies.

    But in health care, you just don't even see that minimal experience of shame and temporary contrition. They just stick to the lies, knowing that they are expected to lie and that the only way for there to be consequences for them would be to not lie, to admit the truth.
    Of course they know that this "no 'evidence-based way'" is the current standard, on the blatant lie that it is evidence-based. And that the lack of evidence is irrelevant, because they'll both admit that there is evidence or no evidence, sometimes in adjacent sentences, depending on what seems a more effective excuse, since facts simply don't matter.
    There is no evidence. But also there is evidence. Any evidence that contradicts the lack of positive evidence is simply ignored. They simply don't even bother pretending to adhere to reality, to facts or even basic standards of decency. They straight up just lie all the way. Then lie about the lies. And never actually display even a tiny bit of shame or hesitation at doing so. They'll lie on the stand, and in documents, and in depositions, and nothing matters. Worse than political operatives who literally lie for a living.

    It's stuff like this that makes the likely rule of RFK Jr over American health care seem like barely a slight deviation from a current standard of complete dumpster fires. Sweden technically has none of those problems, this is purely decided by technocrats. And yet the outcomes they produce are just as incompetent and malicious, just as detached from reality as a possible, likely, shift at the NIH away from researching infectious diseases, or stuff like raw milk, or 5G causing autism, or whatever. The only difference is really between being ineptly failed, or maliciously-ineptly failed. You get failed either way, and reality doesn't factor in one bit either way.
     
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    bobbler Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I’m not sure whether you are correct about Sweden being about technocrats/none of those issues from what I’ve read on the political situation there?
     
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    Mij Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Reality: Raw milk = all RISK and NO benefit.
     
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