The “Permanent Worsening” Phenomenon

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  1. Yann04

    Yann04 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    In the patient community, it seems somewhat common to refer to instances where PEM (or a crash) led to worsening of the condition which was permanent.

    I have however yet to find a reference to this in the literature, if someone knows of one, I would be grateful as it is of interest to me, thanks!
     
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    "Psychosomatic misattribution can also result in the prescription of harmful therapies such as GET, which can induce potentially permanent worsening of symptoms due to PEM [89,90]." (Thoma et al, link)

    I don't have the energy to chase down references 89 and 90 at the moment, but perhaps a useful start?
     
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    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    The NICE guideline recognises it:

    See the glossary:
    https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng206/chapter/recommendations#post-exertional-malaise
     
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    You're right, but any of us with long term worsening can't see into the future. Some people with very severe ME/CFS for years do gradually improve.
     
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