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Also to the journalist who has been well and truly played by MS and KG. He failed to do his homework.I think this should be tweeted to him....anyone able to do this?
Also to the journalist who has been well and truly played by MS and KG. He failed to do his homework.I think this should be tweeted to him....anyone able to do this?
Henningsen - the Wessely-disciple in Germany - said in a paper (Neurasthenie und chronic fatigue syndrome I guess) that activism* is a proof that CFS is a neurotic disorder.It sounds like he's close to declaring that they are "not really ill" or suffer from some personality disorder that compels them to act in this way.
Who does he think these activists who are not patients would be?
There were healthy people present at the protest in New York City, and at MillionsMissing events. I don't see anything wrong in getting help from other people.Who does he think these activists who are not patients would be?
I have listened to some of the podcast, and wondered if anyone could possibly tell me why Sharpe mentions that people who had depression in the past are likely to develop ME/CFS and that another cause might be 'genetic load' (I think he said).
The patients in our study were enrolled from 1985 through 1987, before the formal criteria for "CF syndrome" were established in 1988. In retrospect, six of our patients fulfill the criteria of the Centers for Disease Control.
Sharpe is now saying that PACE critics aren't patients.
It sounds like he's close to declaring that they are "not really ill" or suffer from some personality disorder that compels them to act in this way.
Or maybe he's trying to collect some more evidence of abusive behaviour by patients with provocative tweets (inadvertently producing evidence of his own strange behaviour).
Who does he think these activists who are not patients would be?
Does Michael Sharpe really not know that the person whose complaint sparked this episode was so ill that he is no longer with us? Or that the successful FoI request that has shed some light on things came from someone who has since been too ill to communicate with others?
I have made a decision at present not to get involved in this sort of stuff but for a psychiatrist to behave like this is simply pathological. Psychiatrists are supposed to have respect and sympathy for people in distress.
On Bullshit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit#cite_note-bullshit-1(2005), by philosopher Harry G. Frankfurt, is an essay that presents a theory of bullshit that defines the concept and analyzes the applications of bullshit in the context of communication. Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care if what they say is true or false, but rather only cares whether their listener is persuaded.[1]
I think this is very revealing. MS clearly believes there is a correlation, with people suffering from depression being more predisposed to getting ME/CFS. This probably means that in his experience this has actually been true. Which to me says his experience of people PwME is much more likely to be with people misdiagnosed with ME/CFS; people whose fatigue symptoms are perhaps more likely to be related to their mental state - indeed maybe people whose depression etc. might have made them lethargic and disinclined to exercise. The sort of people who might respond better to his kind of therapies. Which to me shows why PACE was so doomed from the outset, and why we are where we are today.I have listened to some of the podcast, and wondered if anyone could possibly tell me why Sharpe mentions that people who had depression in the past are likely to develop ME/CFS and that another cause might be 'genetic load' (I think he said).
I'm working on mine...I might have just written a strongly worded letter to The Guardian...
Who does he think these activists who are not patients would be?
MS likes to keep moving the goalposts. I wonder where he learned that.![]()
First it was a minority of patients, then it was vexatious patients, then it was people with an agenda along with patients, then it was people who hadn't read the papers, then it was a few badly informed people who had no description because admitting they were academics and doctors would weakened his argument. Then it was an MP who were unbecoming of being MP. Now its not patients cos its impossible for thousands of patients to do a little bit each from there couches or beds to share the burden to collate information. Then there's silence over the issue of how ill doing this made some patients because of the physical effort. Then he forgets 30 MPs have taken his study to task in Parliament. So presumably its not MPs cos they would be too busy doing politics.
He never mentions the hundreds of academics by name who have supported and published critiques of his study.
It's all irrelevant anyway even if the FOI requests etc where made by the bloody man on the moon its the content of what has been revealed about his studies and other work and involvements.
People with MS campaign, people with cancer campaign too, so what?
omg! It's a conspiracy! Seriously though - please don't do this. Just because QMUL hold the data and employed one of the researchers, doesn't mean that everyone who ever worked or studied there is somehow culpable in this. (I know it was probably said in jest - but just saying)