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Trial By Error: Trio of Trials Shows Limits of CBT for Medically Unexplained Symptoms

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic theories and treatments discussions' started by MSEsperanza, Jun 17, 2020.

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    MSEsperanza Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    David Tuller: Trio of Trials Shows Limits of CBT for Medically Unexplained Symptoms

    https://www.virology.ws/2020/06/17/...ts-of-cbt-for-medically-unexplained-symptoms/
     
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    Cognitive fatigue syndrome
    Typo, @dave30th.
     
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    This is describing my current state pretty well...
     
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    So confirmed failure on all three of the IAPT MUS concepts. All presented as success. Despite obvious failure on all relevant features.

    All with the same process: promise for years that only X will matter then when X fails make stuff up about how X is actually not that important. All the features of blatant fraud. All causing harm. All celebrated, awarded and rewarded.

    What a massive scam. The very worst that medicine has ever had to offer. And all to save money.

    Kinda puts into perspective how we consider societies that performed human sacrifices as primitive. Modern societies are so much more effective at doing the same thing. They sacrificed people to imaginary gods. Modern societies do it for money. Advanced barbarism.
     
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    Human sacrifice, a few minutes of 'discomfort' - less if your local officiant is competent.

    Current medical practice - a lifetime of suffering, mistreatment and loss.
     
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    A truly modest proposal.
     
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    Perhaps what would be even more definitive would be if international researchers with no particular connection to the biopsychosocial model were to try to validate these theories. The therapists could practice all the BPS theory they wanted, but the people organizing the study and evaluating the results would be agnostic about the expected outcomes. Not that I'm suggesting conscious bias on anyone's part, but, as psychologists, I'm sure that the people who have focused their careers on the BPS approach would, more than most, realize the importance of eliminating any possible unconscious bias.


    Wouldn't they?
     
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    I guess you just invented a name for the condition you were suffering from just at that moment ;)
     
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    The more they say, the more they sound like a fake religion.
     
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