Virtues that Mitigate the Deprivations of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, 2025, Hartman

[MrMagoo]

MLMs are within the definition of cults.

 

[Hutan]

For newer members: we have many threads on the Lightning Process. You can find them by clicking on the Lightning Process tag at the top left of the thread. Our main public thread is here.

 

[SNT Gatchaman]

Are they brainwashed by NLP? Are Phil Parker paying them or persuading then to do it? Are they made up?

At a meeting of the American Philosophical Association, I met a philosopher who had CFS and recovered through using an intervention called the Lightning Process.76 It is a brain-mind-body approach that is like cognitive behavioral therapy in some ways; it teaches the person with CFS to exercise some conscious influence on brain function to affect physiological changes. 77 In hope, I read the books and hired a Lightning Process practitioner to work with me for a few days. Within a few months, I was walking ten miles a day, and I have not had CFS symptoms since.

77 I thank Phil Parker for help drafting this sentence.

80 I thank Aaron Cobb, Nick Colgrove, Katherine Dormandy, Errol Katayama, Phil Parker, Alexandra Romanyshyn, Eric Silverman, and Kevin Timpe for comments on a draft of this paper.

 

[MrMagoo]

Brilliant, philosophers are up to this as well as psychologists?

 

[Hutan]

77 I thank Phil Parker for help drafting this sentence.

Just noting that the 'research' in the 'Psychosomatic research' forum category does not necessarily indicate that any science has gone on in the threads within it. Quite often it's advertising and/or uninformed opinion.

 

[Sean]

The virtues of humility, patience, prudence, courage, and hope mitigate the deprivations of CFS and promote well-being.​

Do they promote effective science?

 

[bobbler]

Interesting that he [phil parker] drafted that

To me seems clear he is trying to use the fact they didn’t ban CBT altogether - although the cfs-CBT actually is banned and should have been worded as such and described as dangerous like a conversion course - to try and play on the negligent ignorance of gatekeepers who won’t update themselves that the material /ideology is ‘what’ the treatment is and these things are just the delivery mechanisms so CBT can be extremely harmful and they should be checking it too.

The fact something harmful is hiding pretending it isn’t harmful by using that some CbT isn’t harmful but it’s like the harmful type and yet no one checks

Well it should be a wake up call for the moral and safety obligations of all of healthcare.

 

[Jesse]

The virtues of humility, patience, prudence, courage, and hope mitigate the deprivations of CFS and promote well-being.​

Do they promote effective science?

With enough virtue you don't need science.

 

[Peter T]

Sorry have not read the full article, but surely it is equally possible to create a narrative where the right vices could make life with ME substantially easier.

A close relative had Parkinson’s. She was an archetype from a Victorian novel, an indolent selfish lady who from her arm chair dictated all that happened around her without ever having to raise her voice. Everyone rushed to do her bidding and put her whims above their own needs. Very Cold Comfort Farm, though the neurological condition replaced the ‘something nasty in the woodshed’. She gave every appearance of living life just as she wanted. (Different family members have different recollections and I may be editing my memories for effect, but even if that is the case it illustrates how easy it is to create narratives that suit the reporter’s prejudices.)