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This would seem to be willful misunderstanding--responding to a point that wasn't made to get out of actually responding to the point that was made. ADDED: I see this point has been made.

Once. I found him slippery, pseudo-charming but untrustworthy.

Lloyd is also at the Kirby Institute, and it's where I gave my talk in March when I was in Sydney. (Lloyd didn't attend; as far as I know, neither did she.)

I haven't read it yet, but they are using causal language in describing the results. This was a one-arm study. Withouth a comparison group, how do they know whether the changes were related to the medication?

https://virology.ws/2025/06/23/trial-by-error-an-interview-with-sjoerd-beentjes-lead-author-of-big-data-study-on-blood-based-biomarkers-for-me-cfs/

I was once heading toward Kew Gardens (in Queens, NY, not London), and when I texted it got changed to "Jew Gardens." Well, there are quite a few members of my tribe living in Kew Gardens, but Jew Gardens? Really?

But no one is making an argument about dogs and cats and so on. I agree you focus on what the study shows, but the way to deflect the stupidity is to acknowledge the obvious truth that people often need or want supportive care related to mental health factors while distinguishing those needs...

I understand. But it's not the same as saying it's perpetuating the illness. If there were no impact or effect of mental states that arise generally in response to being sick, there would be no reason for anyone with any illness to seek supportive care in terms of counseling, psychotherapy, etc...

Very different from what Wyller is saying, I think.

I think you say something like, Of course emotional/mental states can impact ongoing disease processes, but that's very different from claiming that they cause the disease in the first place. With ME, the goal is to find the pathophysiological mechanisms behind the symptoms while also paying...

https://virology.ws/2025/06/21/trial-by-error-edinburgh-study-links-me-cfs-to-blood-based-biomarkers/

yes, he and Stone were students of Sharpe. in the SMC's mind, they're essentially interchangeable as experts. Stone was asked to comment on the Wilshire et al PACE reanalysis. The SMC has shifted slightly since the PACE days. Now they'll always have at least one of the ideologues, but they also...

that's a good point, but has the other guy, who reviewed it positively, done any ME/CFS research?

very stigmatizing of the "deconditioned"???

My impression was that he wasn't saying the specific findings overlapped so much as saying that analyzing blood from those suffering from mental/emotional disorders, in this case depression, can simillarly yield biological markers.

I did this interview with Chris when the pre-print was published:

Thanks for posting! I did that last month and had forgotten about it.

https://virology.ws/2025/06/04/trial-by-error-dr-rob-wust-on-me-cfs-long-covid-and-deconditioning/

Is that a case of Munchausen-by-equine-proxy?

Terry Segal was the lead author on a review of pediatric treatments. The only recommendation in the abstract was the Lightning Process, based on the Crawley study. She failed to respond to my letters expressing concern about this. And this journal, BMJ's Archives of Disease in Childhood, is the...