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I remember that now and if my memory serves me well its on video somewhere.

Wessely: In essence though they decided they were using a overly harsh set of criteria that didn’t match what most people would consider recovery and were incongruent with previous work so they changed their minds – before a single piece of data had been looked at of course. Nothing at all wrong...

https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/21/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-pace-trial/comment-page-6/#comments The new recovery definition they changed to halfway through the trial meant people could be declared ill enough to enter the trial and declared recovered at the same time. All completely normal...

Wessely has already admitted they changed the protocol to bring the results inline with other studies FFS!

Damn it I should have listened to you lot, she has pissed it all up against the wall!!

I want you to know her struggle to raise these funds is over as I have donated the full £5000 to her. Yes I know you are all shouting, "she will just spend it all on fags and booze", but I have real faith in people and the human spirit.

Thats just a matter of opinion!

I am struggling to understand now why Tovey has gone through this whole process with Larun and rejected her resubmisssions following complaints and critiques. From this recent exchange he seems to be rather confused about why he has taken the current actions. Anyone?

Ye this is whats called just shutting up shop. Cant pass the buck, cant admit any personal liability, play the legal advice route, protect your own interests and if the buck isn't passed onto someone else be ready to team up and blow with the wind with anyone who will protect their own...

I think Tovey is just saying, "everyone does that shit now so its normal so nothing to see here".

Ah well that sounds rock solid objectivity then. How do you square such subjective psychiatric pontification with your other statement here ... .....when "dysthymia" requires by its own definition that the patient must not be experiencing the symptoms in order to receive the "diagnosis"...

You are sure why he was absolutely floored hip because he told you plain and simple in black and white. It wasn't, "just because he got a misdiagnoses", it was because in his own words..... Are you just pretending not to understand that?

Putin and his colleagues also provide expert comment on just about any governmental or political subject. “There are far less journalists nowadays, but with much more space to fill. By providing them with expert comment, we are giving it to them on a plate—but what they are getting is fair...

Well they would if people enable them by using the term mental illness as it suits them for any arbitrary symptom collection.

So why bother with journalists at all then, why not just have the fake news coming straight from the horses mouth and landing in healthcare policy via the media?....oh....erm...hold on..... :thumbsdown: :unsure:

Very scientific.

"Depression and coping style causes inflammation...cure is CBT" . I really think that if a psychiatrist looked at a broken knee cap he would declare it a mental illness because HE is a psychiatrist.

Why so many words? Isn't this a Tommy Cooper joke about a man who goes to the doctor and says doc it hurts when I do this and the doc goes, don't do it then.

I think this is a classic case of, "all my facebook friends agree with me".

Or it proves they can deliberately make people sick but have no idea how to cure them or what they have done to them.