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Thanks. Do you have any idea what sort of results we'd get for the same test if it was applied to people with MS, depression, healthy controls, etc?

No worries - it can all blur together. Thanks for the samples you did provide.

Thanks to everyone involved. Interesting questions and answers.

Thanks Sasha. Can you remember how they responded to that?

I've noticed MEA seem to have not been promoting Tuller's recent work on social media in the way they used to. That seems worrying.

I just moved my long and rambling one over before seeing how this was worknig, that should keep them going for a while!

I'm sure I should be able to put this more concisely: I've thought that a good way of getting more CFS studies done, would be to have researchers for other conditions make use of 'CFS' as an ill-health control, where patients were likely to have a range of different causes of their own...

I keep wishing Toni Bernhard were to write something that touched on the problems with PACE-type research, and how that relates to attitudes to ill-health. It does seem relevant to some of her work, and it would be helpful for helping make another group of people aware of the problems there.

Thanks. Marking this for tomorrow... only twenty minutes.

I could well be misunderstanding something, but this was the figure I found it hard to assess the significance of: This is all new to new to me, and I don't know how to start to assess whether these findings are likley to be important. @paolo - are you able to help me out (no worries if it's...

Yup, she was really surprised that when she switched outcomes half-way through she could turn a null result into a positive one with an excited press release... she'll love that Tuller's helped explain this confusing state of affairs to everyone!

Thanks once again to Tuller for all his work. That was epic. When reading that I really felt like this study has the hallmarks of the sort of 'simple' junk-science that should attract wider attention from people who don't care about CFS? Despite it's length, there were still bits that were so...

Analysis 1.18 of the Larun Cochrane review for exercise therapy reported no significant difference, but I haven't gone through looking at the details: Edit - anyone know why Wearden 1998 has more weight than Wearden 2010 in the above graph?

This interview is so annoying it's funny. http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/12/researcher-swedish-fraud-case-speaks-out-i-m-very-disappointed-my-colleague With some authority figures responding to PACE, I really can't tell if they're playing dumb to avoid difficult questions, or if they're...

Great, now I've got Disney World's 'small, small world' song going around my head, so feeling extra cognitively impaired.

If pointing to the PACE LTFU data, which showed GET making no overall difference for self-reported outcomes, then if assuming GET is harmful to some, presumably it's beneficial to some too? I've not watched this lecture yet, and do not trust AfME to do a good job of picking apart the spun...

I'm sure I should be able to put this more concisely: I've thought that a good way of getting more CFS studies done, would be to have researchers for other conditions make use of 'CFS' as an ill-health control, where patients were likely to have a range of different causes of their own...

Thanks. Does anyone know how figure 5 was made, how this compares to (for example) healthy controls, or how different groups with different illnesses compare to one another?

Just about everything I read from Gerada makes me cringe. I don't think that she'll ever be able to understand the harm she's done.

Fingers crossed it all work out for them. That would be amazing.