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Just to clarify, this decision was not about the data. QMUL has already agreed to try to provide the trial data I requested. This was about some information relating to harassment I asked for.

Decision here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/kc9ezxfk51t1eu5/014%20040419%20Decision.pdf?dl=0

Thanks, Peter.

Thanks, Snowflake.

Thanks, Jo. That's interesting what you say about the processing both in itself and as a reminder of another consequence of their model and how it was adopted: they stopped listening to patients. I and others were saying these things back in the late 1980s.

Thanks, Michiel. And thank you for going to the trouble of transcribing some passages.

Thanks, Ezzie.

Thanks, Trish. You express it just as well. I think it's something we all know.

As I thought, they haven't posted the patient-level data. This is what they have uploaded: 'basic results'. Any thoughts? Worth going after the patient-level?

I haven't looked at this, but it sounds interesting and relevant. It is accepted by the CBT-GET promoters that there are biological changes in patients with ME. A key part of their argument has always been that psychotherapy can bring about or reverse biological changes. Here is a study that...

Yes, I did and I am. @Graham was excellent on his videos as well.

Glad to have chipped in a little, Michiel. You worked very hard on this and deserve all the credit. Thank you, and well done on getting it published.

Thank you.

Thank you. (I would be willing.)

Very good, Michiel.

One other thing on that picture. It's something I have mentioned on Twitter before. 31 (?, CBA to count again) men and 2 women. Malingering. Hysteria. Delusion. Tired women's disease.

Yes, it's known as dog-whistling. Those who are meant to hear the real message.

I think this doublespeak is important to understand. Language is used in particular ways in psychiatry. No one any longer talks of delusions (which implies an imposition of values). They talk instead of 'beliefs'. So when a psychiatrist hears 'unhelpful beliefs', they understand that means...

On his website: 211 in total; 141 up to and including 2001. http://www.simonwessely.com/index.php/publications/papers-chronic-fatigue-syndrome/

Thanks. I'll look at that. I know Hardman has, but I don't recall any mention of his having done so. Yeah, I think that is a real element to it: they have benefited from therapy so tend to advocate for it and dislike the claim ME patients are somehow disparaging metal illness by rejecting the...