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    POLL: physical vs cognitive PEM - same or different?

    In my own case, I experience PEM as being a state roughly akin to a severe flu (if one could experience flu denuded of fever and rhinorrhoea) which occurs almost solely in response to physical effort or exertion. Mental effort alone, by contrast, can trigger off a state of exhaustion - often...
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    Science for ME submission to the NICE draft ME/CFS guideline consultation, December 2020, and submission on substantive errors, August 2021

    That's a brilliant piece of work. Detailed, thorough, forensic, very impressive. Very pleased to see such a comprehensive dissection of the language in the draft (e.g. fixed vs. flexible increases), the wording of which might have allowed for GET-lite and psychotherapies to continue under the...
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    Psychosomatic medicine and the psychologising of physical diseases

    I don't think that was ever considered true in Britain. I've gone back to a very early medical text, the famous System of Medicine (1911), edited by Sir Clifford Allbutt, and the increased female prevalence was known back then: Other relevant quotes from SoM: I don't doubt it! I once saw a...
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    Psychosomatic medicine and the psychologising of physical diseases

    I'm not suggesting that patients with MS have never been misdiagnosed as psychiatric (in fact, I specifically made the point that some of the very early signs, depending on the presentation, might well be mistaken for CD). Other symptoms of MS (depression, fatigue, emotional lability) might also...
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    Psychosomatic medicine and the psychologising of physical diseases

    Don't wish to take the thread off-topic, but there's a claim in Solve M.E.'s letter: I do not know where this myth started, but I've seen it repeated by a number of pwME for many years. It is simply untrue. What we now easily recognise as the characteristic demyelinating lesions of multiple...
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    UK - NICE guideline on Long Covid

    Interesting. They're right to bemoan the lack of patient inclusivity and the "misguided" treatment that some of them have received, but: It's even more unwise to disregard what is already known about a condition that commonly presents post-virally and has an extraordinarily high level of...
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    Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.

    Unfortunately, Paul Garner accepted a somewhat psychosomatic framing of his illness in an earlier account back in June: The model his physiotherapist was describing sounds more akin to PTSD than ME. And a few of those with self-limiting PVFS also have a tendency to attribute their recovery...
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    U.K. trial Rehabilitation exercise and psychological support after Covid 19 infection (REGAIN) Warwick University

    On the 12th of November, NIHR announced a £20m research call, closing on the 9th of December: https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/new-20m-call-for-research-into-physical-and-mental-effects-of-long-covid/26163 They also announced on the 10th of December that they were funding projects totalling £5.5m...
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    NICE ME/CFS guideline - draft published for consultation - 10th November 2020

    Is it common for non-British treatment centres to seek to involve themselves in NICE reviews? Looking at the CG53 table of comments and the stakeholder consultation comments from the 2017 10-year guideline update proposal - I see British charities and support groups, the Royal Colleges...
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    Lightning Process - discussion thread

    I don't wish to dwell too much on such a ludicrous aura-seeing, tarot-card reading huckster as Philip Kilvington Parker, but I recently came across his PhD thesis from September 2019, and thought others here might find it interesting. It's based around a close variant of the LP he called "The...
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    Fatigue and the mind-body relation: A Lacanian exploration, Diserholt, 2020 (PhD thesis)

    From the same author (emphases mine): Extraordinary that she can be awarded a PhD for her work on a condition of which she evinces no fundamental understanding whatsoever.
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    BPS attempts at psychologizing Long Covid

    The GP quoted in this article, Tomlinson, is also quoted here as saying "[t]here is no one for whom the problem of chronic pain is not a symptom of complex trauma." Such views would be laughable if they were not so deeply damaging.
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    Why is ME/CFS getting so little research funding?

    One often overlooked reason is medical education: rare is the medical student who has never been taught "not to reinforce psychosomatic presentations", or something similar. If you have been taught to believe that sympathy with or even genuine acknowledgement of a patient's suffering may result...
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    NICE ME/CFS guideline - draft published for consultation - 10th November 2020

    I wasn't arguing for an entirely separate ME service, @Jonathan Edwards, but against the uniform approach of the PPS/MUS clinics in particular. I'd be entirely happy for ME patients to be seen in general clinics - I was originally diagnosed in a general clinic by an endocrinologist. Also, with...
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    United Kingdom: Sheffield ME & Fibromyalgia Group News

    She's mistaken; the development and peak popularity of psychosomatic medicine obviously predates this. I have in front of me a British medical text ca. 1950 that attributes some level of psychosomatic causation to peptic ulcer, "spastic and mucous colitis", chronic constipation and diarrhoea...
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    NICE ME/CFS guideline - draft published for consultation - 10th November 2020

    At the risk of taking this thread off-topic, I've been thinking about what may occur after the new guidelines are released, assuming of course that the committee doesn't buckle under the inevitable fusillade from the psychosomaticians. Most CCGs will surely expect their currently commissioned...
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    NICE ME/CFS guideline - draft published for consultation - 10th November 2020

    The section on the level of care needed to support those with severe and very severe impairment, and in particular the nature and extent of sensory sensitivites, is very welcome, having been ignored by CG53. The guidelines make frequent reference to health care professionals "who have training...
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    BACME: Position Paper on the management of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/ Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS), Oct 2020

    I'm a little late to noticing this new BACME position paper, but a few brief comments: BACME should be challenged to explain what they understand to be "the biological aspects of ME/CFS" - I'd expect a vague statement about abnormal stress responses or similar such handwaving. They do not...
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    Daily persistent headache after viral illness during a worldwide pandemic ...: Lessons from 1890 Russian/Asiatic flu, 2020, Rosen

    I've had a diagnosis of NDPH from a number of years ago, as I developed a new-onset headache with the infection that led to my developing ME, and the headaches were serious enough for me to request a neurology referral. After an MRI to exclude secondary headache and after trying a number of...
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