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Bookmarked. Thank you for sharing, glad that someone is looking at this.

Lol, thanks! A clear sign I need to take a rest and put my feet up, I knèw it was next month the first time I saw it, and then somehow after the next views I thought it was today. (I even checked it before my post.) Well, I don't have to explain to you how that happened...:rolleyes:

This looks like it will happen today right? Is this good? My uneducated guess says it seems so.

By "It" you mean the roundtable? I'm not very familiar with UK political structure, but I find it rather encouraging for a "Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Health and Social Care" to specifically mention that it is expected by them that NICE will be following its own rules and protocol...

Do I understand it correctly that this is an answer from Mrs. Churchill/her departement? Because then I also like the reminder that NICE is "responsible for developing its guidelines in line with its established methods and processes".

Completely. They are literally saying that because the "structural pathology" is unclear, it is therefore non-organic, the patients having bodily sensations which do not result from physical disease, but which the patients respond to as if they did. The long, horrific history of psychiatry and...

Thanks for the hearty laugh this morning @Dx Revision Watch and @SNT Gatchaman! It was very welcome.

Another important thing about Ho-Yens paper is that he rightly points out that nothing about Wessely et al's proposed approach was "new" but it was "no more than the conventional view". Ho-Yen seems to be explicitly talking about the treatment of patients with PVFS: "patients have been told...

I consider this paper the origin of the BPS's "boom-bust" claim. It was written in response to Wessely and Chalder's first published paper about CBT for ME ("Management of chronic (post viral) fatigue syndrome", 1989) Wessely and Chalder (together with David and Butler) had set out their CBM...

I didn't have this one in my collection yet, thanks!

The end goal always is and always has been to sell the CBT product as a viable treatment option. A lot of theater (creating the Oxford criteria under which they could do their research, so CDC CFS became in essence CF and included psychiatric disorders, "researching" patient groups to point out...

O gods, and I didn't even mention that my mother was there too... :rofl: Edited to ps: He probably would have thought it was hysterical.

Off topic but posted for the amusement of readers: I once had a very vivid dream of being killed by overripe, mushy banana: it was slowly being pushed in my ear by a bear.

I can only speak for the earliest years (<1993), but while technically true it is not in two of her earliest papers about the therapy to explicitly explain thoughts like thinking you have ME b/c of symptoms as a "distortion of reality"*, I fail to see a big difference in effect between that and...

Problematic piece. Some of its arguing mirrors the arguments made by Wessely and Sharpe in the early stages of BPS takeover. E.g. Calling it something already familiar while downplaying and vaguely generalising it, using phrases like "unclear aetiology" while ignoring a shit-ton of concrete...

Ah, yes, thanks @Simbindi , I see I was looking at a "petition update" page, which by itself isn't very persuasive. I thought it was a second one, I already signed this one yesterday. Original page: Petition · Don't let vested interests perpetuate harmful treatments for ME/CFS! · Change.org...

I'm not sure what the petition is for, apart from venting. It doesn't have a goal like e.g. #ReleaseTheGuidelines based on clear arguments like it's not in patients interest and against NICE procedure to do this, and it was forced from outside against scientific analysis. What does it want to...

Indeed. I would not call this "opaque". Jonathan Edwards is presented as an expert in clinical trials, and then by (weirdly) placing the word NICE instead of e.g. "those" in his remark it refers (or seems to refer) directly to the NICE review being "deeply flawed". Even more so because the...

"CBT....should only be offered to support patients in dealing with the anxiety of being ill." (Italics mine) If that is what the end text will say then the BPS crew has had their weasle point put in. That's will be the angle. Or, if not altered, then it will be the angle in the expected media...

CORRECTION ( @FMMM1 ): She was health minister and vice prime minister for 8 years until 2002 after which she took positions as president of the dutch health council comittee (in which capacity in '05 she undertook the media campaign with grotesque and stigmatising disinformation to accomodate...