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A unifying theory for cognitive abnormalities in functional neurological disorders, Fibromyalgia and CFS (2018), Mark J Edwards et al.

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic research - ME/CFS and Long Covid' started by adambeyoncelowe, May 8, 2018.

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  1. adambeyoncelowe

    adambeyoncelowe Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/early/2018/05/06/jnnp-2017-317823

    I'm not sure if this is the 'biomedical research' MRC claimed to be funding: http://gtr.ukri.org/projects?ref=MR/M02363X/1

    They're similar but not identical. Perhaps an early spin-off? They like to make a meal from bad research, don't they? Faggot fallacies, etc.

     
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    MUPS by another name?
     
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    Daisybell Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Reading this abstract just made me say ‘oh, f*** off’.
    I’d like to give them the experience and then see how keen they would be to write such offensive twaddle.
     
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    James Morris-Lent Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Perusing this piece is quite surreal. You see glimmers of lucidity in which the authors appear to understand that they are driveling... and then they drivel vigorously. Like they know their belief system is warped and nonsensical, but they can't yet bear to leave the cult. I wish I could express this better.
    C'mon guys, listen to your doubts... break free! Well, I won't get my hopes up.



    :laugh::thumbup:
     
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    adambeyoncelowe Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    They're definitely overinterpreting. It's a nonsense study that doesn't make sense.

    @Jonathan Edwards, what do you think, as a scientist? It was all psychobabble to me!
     
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    Cheshire, May 8, 2018
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    It's the opposite of Occam's Razor: they're using torturous arguments to prove their theory, when it makes far more sense that objective neurocognitive problems are precisely that.
     
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  8. Trish

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    They seem to be inventing yet another 'functional' disorder, this time it's 'functional cognitive disorder', so I guess an alternative would be MUCS - medically unexplained cognitive symptoms. (where MUPS is medically unexplained physical symptoms).

    If we're inventing acronyms, how about medically unexplained cognitive underperformance syndrome (MUCUS). Then they could hold a conference about MUPPETS with MUCUS.

    Seriously though, these 'systematic reviews' we keep seeing are rubbish. Take a bunch of unrelated poorly designed studies on ill defined cohorts of patients using a variety of different subjective cognitive tests - GIGO - garbage in, garbage out.

    Definition of hypothesise = make stuff up.
     
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    When inconsistency becomes a proof your "unifying theory" is correct, you'd better start it all over again and throw your model in the dustbin...
     
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    Hoopoe Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    These guys need to work on their obfuscation skills. It's too obvious this is just bullshit.
     
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    Seen in context with @Dx Revision Watch being " sacked" and IAPT roll outs, this is potentially more dangerous than would first appear
     
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    I was amazed by this bit too @Cheshire. By this argument, people with peanut allergy must be just making it all up. I mean, 'one minute they're fine and the next minute they are carrying on, claiming they can't breathe and feel sick'.

    How long would the authors have to really listen to people with ME/CFS before they understood that, in all but the most severe cases, cognitive symptoms change over time? Well rested, cognitive function may be fine. After repeated exertion or during PEM, cognitive function may be extremely compromised.

    Yes, it's clear that prejudice is triumphing over intellect. But every now and then, the intellect is visible before dogma just spews all over it.
     
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    or... They might be noticed by third parties who know the patient well and remarked upon as being unusual and out of character you absolute maroons. They might even independently notice a pattern. Is memory perfectionism contagious?

    The fact that a person with arthritis will be effected differently by weather conditions is not a sign that they believe arthritis is secretly controlled by the sky gods.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Told my daughter (with ME) about this over lunch. In the spirit of helpfulness to those producing this stellar piece of research, she's come up with two new acronyms for those of us who have both cognitive and physical symptoms:
    Medically Unexplained Cognitive & Unexplained Physical Symptoms
    Functional Unexplained Cognitive & Unexplained Physical Symptoms.
     
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    To Trish's daughter - :thumbup:
     
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    Same old, same old.
     
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    Well I didn't need to read past the first sentence ...
    What does "in the absence of an organic cause" mean? There was an absence of an organic cause for stomach ulcers. Until there wasn't. Get in the lab and do some work instead of hypothesising and making up new mental disorders.
     
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    Those would be the ones with the greatest energy demand then.
     
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    They just take the same handful of terms and pull out a new random combination. Shuffling the pack to make it appear like a new idea when it really is just the same old BS. It’s not even old wine in new bottles it is old wine in recycled bottles that haven’t even been washed before refilling.....

    I think @Trish daughter sums it up especially with her second new acronym it is a total one of those
     
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