Conversational diagnostic artificial intelligence in ambulatory primary care: a prospective feasibility study
Think bigger: having an entire world-class hospital of physicians, all the specialties, all the sub-specialties, all of which are organized in an orchestra of verification and reasoning with the goal of solving the same problems. The best physician in the world, if that's a thing that can be rated, is nothing compared to that, even available 24/7. Medical AIs will have millennia of clinical and research experience on second one.Having what is in effect your own personal physician available 24/7
Do you work for OpenAI et al?Think bigger: having an entire world-class hospital of physicians, all the specialties, all the sub-specialties, all of which are organized in an orchestra of verification and reasoning with the goal of solving the same problems. The best physician in the world, if that's a thing that can be rated, is nothing compared to that, even available 24/7. Medical AIs will have millennia of clinical and research experience on second one.
I don't think this is a meaningful test, if you feed the AI the clinical language directly related to me/cfs. My language has evolved considerably from pre to post diagnosis, and I still struggle to explain it to others.Glass AI--AI that generates differential diagnosis and clinical plans
Recently I learned about this AI tool, which is currently available for anyone to use without cost or registration.
Edit: Darn I forgot the link: https://glass.health/ai
I'm playing around with it to see how well it understand ME/CFS. It seems like it's familiar with it. Here's the DDx it generates for one case I made up:
Well, AI isn't limited by self-serving humans, so there's more hope for good outcomes.You don't seem to apply your usual skepticism for all things me/cfs to machine learning tech.
Yes, but you wouldn't interface directly with the sub-specialist. The AI GP would bring those others in when necessary.Think bigger: having an entire world-class hospital of physicians, all the specialties, all the sub-specialties, all of which are organized in an orchestra of verification and reasoning with the goal of solving the same problems.
No, but this is what I would be working on if I wasn't ill. It's just hard to understand how information sciences scale, how you can get several billion-fold improvements in performance. There's nothing else like it.Do you work for OpenAI et al?You don't seem to apply your usual skepticism for all things me/cfs to machine learning tech.
It's more that the initial costs are very high, but keep going down. Something like 50% per quarter over the last 4 years, or something like it. What you can do with $100 of a top-end model, at full cost, will be a lot cheaper and better in 6 months, then the same after that. And we don't even have ASICs yet, where parts of the models are baked in the chips.We are so far avoiding paying full cost of AI service. It sounds like AI companies still in the "milk investors using wild promises" phase.
So this is the thing that I think is far more likely than some superhuman intelligence. It’s human level intelligence or rather knowledge work as a commodity. The industrial revolution did allow advances but the main factors were the repetition and scale of what humans could already do. Then came the advances of precision engineering and manufacturing. Map that to knowledge work and you have a world changing technology but not the silicon valley vision of a digital god. And one which doesn’t necessarily have the moats some see either.It's just hard to understand how information sciences scale
I see no reason to postulate either of these things when there's an infinite range of possibilities in between them. It doesn't seem to work like a human and there's no reason to think of it as what people would typically think of a god. Things are allowed to be different. And I believe it's clear that it is doing things humans couldn't already do.So this is the thing that I think is far more likely than some superhuman intelligence. It’s human level intelligence or rather knowledge work as a commodity...Map that to knowledge work and you have a world changing technology but not the silicon valley vision of a digital god.
It doesn't have to and they don't have to. Probably within a year a five year old will be able to download some weights and do things most humans didn't think were ever possible. Where will that leave those that used to do those things for a living? Do those economies still make sense? I think not, something new will be necessary and the hope is that this should be beneficial to all, but the outcome seems less clear.It’s part of why I don’t see the economics of this adding up though. The labs and big companies cannot carry on doing what they doing forever. It’s burning money.
A protein is a chain of amino acids held together by what are called peptide bonds. On their own, those bonds are extremely stable; they’re estimated to have a half-life of several hundred years. But in Earth’s environment, most proteins don’t last nearly that long. That’s because organisms have evolved a handful of ways to catalyze the break-up of peptide bonds, which have diversified into countless specialized protein-digesting enzymes. Proteases are everywhere and generally make short work of any proteins that find their way into the environment.
Now, researchers have basically short-circuited the diversification process, using AI-based protein design tools to take the catalytic core of two types of protease and replace the entire rest of the protein. The resulting enzymes could be tuned to cut specific proteins in half, and the researchers demonstrated their effectiveness by using them to cut proteins associated with neurological diseases
The potential therapeutic use of this is complicated. Proteins are often difficult to deliver to the site where they’re needed, and can often trigger an immune response. Things get even more challenging if the protease target is inside a cell rather than on the exterior. That would likely require the target cells to make the protease, which would involve delivering the gene encoding it to the cells where it’s needed. So, there are considerable hurdles that would need to be cleared before we could potentially start developing therapies using this technology.
The researchers also highlight how the work shows some limitations of the tools. As used, they successfully designed proteins that matched all the physical constraints they were given: They folded up into structures that brought the amino acids needed to catalyze a reaction into roughly the right location, and latched on to specific target amino acid sequences.
But we don’t, at the moment, have the ability to tell these tools we want any specific catalytic activity
Thanks for explaining more about your process @mariovitali and I’m so sorry to hear of the problems you and your family member are having.I do understand the concerns of information explosion in this forum. @Utsikt I believe made a suggestion about a subforum. Of course, I could always just don't bother and start my own website where I report the whole process and then start asking around hoping to be noticed. Problem sorted (?).
Thanks for sharing. Could you please declare which versions of which Algorithms you're using since this is currently the essential part?I wanted to follow up on previous posts and conclude here. As a side note, I mentioned that a family member is in the hospital (since last Thursday) and I am mainly responsible for this person. I am currrenty not sleeping too much and being active all day to keep up with responsibilities. 5 hours of sleep , active until 24:00 and energy levels are holding up. A reminder of my personal miracle on managing my ilness.
I will now describe how I have been using AI :
1) A repository is used which contains genes identified and certain studies (Unfortunately this selection is done by me, I could use some help here)
2) Several AI algorithms attempt to suggest a causal hypothesis based on certain importance weights (e.g.DecodeME receives a high weight, so are studies of PEM with temporal analysis , for example Maureen Hanson Study )
3) After each AI algorithm suggests a hypothesis, all AIs are being presented with other hypotheses and express their opinion, if some erroneous information was found this is also flagged. They then rank their hypothesis across all other hypotheses. A final ranking is being made at the end of the process.
4) A file is used to keep research progress across runs which contains all hypotheses, unresolved questions , erroneous suggestions and critical dependency points (=we need BiP/GRP78 and XBP1 splicing to confirm whether an actual unfolded-protein response is taking place. if this is not happening, then hypotheses #6,#10,#12 are not considered valid anymore). Unfortunately, I cannot show here even parts of this file as it is generated by AI.
I do understand the concerns of information explosion in this forum. @Utsikt I believe made a suggestion about a subforum. Of course, I could always just don't bother and start my own website where I report the whole process and then start asking around hoping to be noticed. Problem sorted (?).
Things have progressed in AI since last year. With proper methodology AI can move our research efforts extremely fast. We can be cautious and we have the control to do it in a pace that we can handle.
I think it makes a lot of sense to have LLMs digest a big dataset the data in this way and look for patterns or links. One problem I also see is how they can draw things together in ways influenced by the language in that data. We see that in models and its easy to see links when they’re none there. And we come back to verification, a point raised by many. The human filtering of inputs helps but doesn’t eliminate issues and the adversarial or committee agentic approach also helps but doesn’t eliminate IMHO. I get why people are sceptical and tbh scepticism is important here.I will now describe how I have been using AI :
That’s a really interesting idea. An open repository would be a great way to allow people to understand the process as well as the outputs. Both problems solved with one solution perhaps? People could see the hypothesis, the prompts, maybe even the decision making processes of the agents. Other agents could also be pointed at the repository to build upon or challenge it. Human discussion could even take place in the repository which could be used as subsequent input and refinements to hypothesis if relevant. There are a lot of possibilities there. And a git repo may be more suited to human and LLM collaboration than a forum here.Thanks for sharing. Could you please declare which versions of which Algorithms you're using since this is currently the essential part?
AMIE's conversations were rated favourably in 87–100% of cases (17 criteria) by clinical evaluators, and 48–96% (16 criteria) by patients.
At the moment I am using ChatGPT GPT-6, Claude Opus 5 and I am also using POE for other LLMs like Qwen, Google Pro, DeepReasoning etc.Thanks for sharing. Could you please declare which versions of which Algorithms you're using since this is currently the essential part?
I also wonder about the secrecy, as using such tools is now standard practice. I'm aware that in some sense you were way ahead of the curve and had a business model to protect, but is that still the case? I think things would be a lot easier if more things were out in the open.
That’s a really interesting idea. An open repository would be a great way to allow people to understand the process as well as the outputs. Both problems solved with one solution perhaps? People could see the hypothesis, the prompts, maybe even the decision making processes of the agents. Other agents could also be pointed at the repository to build upon or challenge it. Human discussion could even take place in the repository which could be used as subsequent input and refinements to hypothesis if relevant. There are a lot of possibilities there. And a git repo may be more suited to human and LLM collaboration than a forum here.