Just giving this thread a bump. Only a little more than a month to go before the deadline. Submissions close 18 February 2019 (Australian time). Anyone, not just Australians, can submit.
If you possibly can, please make the effort to make a submission, even if only a partial one.
Our advocates have worked hard on getting this draft report to be as positive as it is. Let's help them push it further by making lots of submissions. I'm working on mine.
Register here to make a submission:
https://consultations.nhmrc.gov.au/user/register
Submission guidelines here:
https://consultations.nhmrc.gov.au/submission-guidelines
Download the draft report here:
https://consultations.nhmrc.gov.au/public_consultations/mecfs-2019a (39 pages plus 31 pages of attachments)
Part of the report covers the current situation of research and clinical practice in Australia.
Part of the report covers the current situation of research and clinical practice Internationally.
Part of the report covers the current issues and challenges in the ME field.
Part of the report is recommendations for future directions.
If you don't have enough knowledge to comment on the first three, or just not enough energy to wade through it all, start on page 21, point 5.3 Committee Recommendations.
You don't have to do the submission all in one go, there's a handy Save & finish later option.
The actual questions asked are:
1a. How well does the report present the difficulties faced by ME/CFS patients in receiving clinical care?:
1b. How well does the report present the challenges facing clinicians in providing care, when there is lack of clarity on diagnostic and management tools, and minimal professional education about the condition?:
2a. The research and clinical guidance recommendations accurately address the specific needs of the ME/CFS community.:
2b. The research and clinical guidance recommendations provide an accurate representation of the current gaps in research.:
2c. The research recommendations inform the CEO of the most effective and strategic research options currently available.:
For each question there is a comments section “Comments: How could the recommendations be improved? (please limit response max. 300 words)”.
There's a lot of good stuff in there. Just praising a good point or two, if you don't have the energy for more, will support the committee's positive recommendations.
However, in some places it is clear the committee couldn't agree and they simply state the differing views. So here it's important with feedback for or against certain views.
For example, they couldn't agree on the value of establishing an Australian patient registry and/or biobank. Another example, on page 22 of the report:
It is important to note that some Committee members indicated that PEM is not unique to ME/CFS, as it is evident in some other fatiguing illnesses, including post-cancer fatigue, post-polio syndrome and multiple sclerosis.
Curiously the two references given for this claim – that PEM is not unique to ME - actually show that there
are differences between the post-exertional symptoms experienced by patients with other conditions and the PEM suffered by ME patients.
Reference 73 (bolding mine, CRF=cancer-related fatigue) shows the authors equate the narrow symptom range of post-exertional
fatigue with the wider, systemic symptom range of post-exertional
malaise.
Bennett B, Goldstein D, Friedlander M, Hickie I,
Lloyd A. The experience of cancer-related fatigue and chronic fatigue syndrome: a qualitative and comparative study. Journal of Pain and symptom management 2007;34(2):126-135.
Twenty-eight women participated, 16 with CRF and 12 with CFS. Analysis of transcripts from both groups revealed a similar core set of symptoms, featuring fatigue, neurocognitive difficulties, and mood disturbances. Women with CFS reported additional symptoms including musculoskeletal pain and influenza-like manifestations. Both groups suffered disabling behavioral consequences of the symptom complex. Qualitatively, CRF appears closely related to CFS. These findings raise the emergent hypothesis of a conserved neurobehavioral symptom complex, which results from diverse triggering insults.
I assume this is the self-same Lloyd A as sits on the committee?
That's an illogical leap of logic to go from from “Women with CFS reported additional symptoms...” to “CRF appears closely related to CFS...”
Reference 74 (bolding mine) shows that in addition to symptom range, the time pattern of PEM appears to be unique.
Cotler J, Holtzman C, Dudun C, Jason LA. A Brief Questionnaire to Assess Post-Exertional Malaise. Diagnostics (Basel) 2018;8(3):E66.
The five supplementary DSQ PEM duration items correctly categorized patients with ME or CFS 81.7% of the time, while incorrectly categorizing multiple sclerosis (MS) and post-polio syndrome (PPS) as ME or CFS only 16.6% of the time […] Several studies have indicated that the duration of symptoms is possibly a unique aspect of PEM among patients with ME and CFS
Not sure how to interpret the insistence of the unnamed committee members that PEM is not unique to ME.
A charitable interpretation would be that they want to coattail on other, more well-funded illnesses' research for the benefit of ME/CFS. This doesn't excuse their apparent lack of understanding that fatigue does not equal malaise, post-exertional or otherwise.
A less charitable interpretation would be a stubborn determination to twist any data into a cherished, pre-conveived idean no matter what the data actually says.
A similarly little charitable interpretation would be that it is an attempt to keep ME/CFS firmly in the broad category of fatiguing syndromes, and not let it slip into other categories such as metabolic, neuro-immune, or [insert your pick].
I've actually always been interested in the question of whether PEM is unique to ME or not. There's no definite answer to that, it simply hasn't been looked for yet in many conditions. If it did occur in other conditions that would be an interesting opportunity to share research findings (and funding). If it doesn't occur in other conditions then that points directly to the core of ME and needs to be investigated much more thoroughly.
I've long kept an eye out for possible incidences of PEM in other conditions but so far, on closer inspection, every claim (like the one above) has revealed itself to be post-exertional
fatigue or, less often, post-exertional
pain (in FM), never the systemic symptoms and time pattern of ME-PEM. The closest I've found is Overtraining Syndrome (OS). Clearly there are significant differences to ME-PEM but some of the proposed physiological processes in OS are close enough to those looked at in ME that a comparison study would be worthwhile.
An overview of OS if anyone is interested: Sports Health. 2012 Mar; 4(2): 128–138. Overtraining Syndrome A Practical Guide
Jeffrey B. Kreher, Jennifer B. Schwartz
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435910/