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Autoantibodies to Beta-Adrenergic and Muscarinic cholinergic receptor in ME patients - Bynke, Bergquist et al -2020

Discussion in 'ME/CFS research' started by Kalliope, Jul 22, 2020.

  1. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Autoantibodies to Beta-Adrenergic and Muscarinic cholinergic receptors in Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME) patients – a validation study in plasma and cerebrospinal fluid from two Swedish cohorts

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    Brain, Behavior, & Immunity - Health

    Authors
    Annie Bynke, Per Julin, Carl-Gerhard Gottfries, Harald Heidecke, Carmen Scheibenbogen, Jonas Bergquist

    Highlights
    Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME) is a devastating disorder (with millions of patients worldwide) with unclear etiology and no clear diagnostic biomarker available.

    This study support previous findings that there exists a general pattern of increased antibody levels to adrenergic and muscarinic receptors within the ME patient group.

    No evidence for intrathecal antibody production was found in cerebrospinal fluid. The role of increased autoantibodies in the pathogenesis of ME is still uncertain and further research is needed to evaluate the clinical significance of these findings.
     
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    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    Here's the main chart. Red is for controls, the green and blue are for two patient samples. The various autoantibodies are on the x-axis. The differences look a bit underwhelming in terms of being a cause of ME/CFS symptoms.

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  4. Milo

    Milo Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thank you for sharing @Kalliope. May i ask that you fix the typo in the title to read ‘beta’ and not ‘beat’? :whistle:
     
  5. Sid

    Sid Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The scatterplot looks like there's nothing there to hang your hat on.
     
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  6. Snow Leopard

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    Yes, I'm not going to get excited about this one.
     
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    Amw66 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Did they separate out POTS comorbidities ?
     
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  8. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Oops. Thanks for spotting that @Milo !
     
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  9. butter.

    butter. Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    b1 seems significant.
     
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  10. ME/CFS Skeptic

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    The statistical (Wilcoxon) tests did show some significant differences after Bonferonni corrections, most clearly for the M4-Musc-Receptor. Unfortunate that the authors don't report results for the two patient cohorts taken together.

    This, however, suggests that the small differences were not that important clinically:
     
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  11. Eagles

    Eagles Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Open Medicine Foundation: New OMF Funded Research Paper

    https://www.omf.ngo/2020/08/15/new-omf-funded-research-paper/

    August 15, 2020

    From the Desk of Jonas Bergquist, MD, PhD

    Uppsala University

    Open Medicine Foundation (OMF) is pleased to share the published results of an exciting fully-funded study conducted under the direction of Jonas Bergquist, MD, PhD, Director of the ME/CFS Collaborative Research Center at Uppsala University.

    This study was designed to validate the increase of autoantibodies observed in the blood of people with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) that was observed in a previous study. In addition, the study investigated potential differences in autoantibody levels in the blood and cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) of those with ME/CFS and healthy controls.

    Autoantibodies are antibodies (immune proteins) that mistakenly target and react with a person’s own cell structures. The increased autoantibodies observed previously in the blood of people with ME/CFS appear to be targeting ‘signaling molecules’ (named adrenergic and muscarinic receptors) on cell surfaces that are responsible for regulating energy metabolism, immune system activation, muscle activity, heart muscle activity and neurocognitive function…
     
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  12. FMMM1

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    I'd be very interested in @Jonathan Edwards take on this paper.

    I'm not clear why you would pursue autoantibodies as a cause of ME after rituximab failed; rituximab wipes out antibody/autoantibody producing B-cells. OK a small percentage of people could have an autoimmune form of ME and that would appear to be very interesting i.e. provide insight into the disease mechanism generally.
    Also, perhaps Jonathan has explained in the past that there could be antibody/autoantibody producing cells which are not wiped out by rituximab --- still some antibody/autoantibody production occurring post treatment with rituximab.

    I vaguely recall discussion that this technique could be removing something else e.g. the "something in the blood".

    Are the assessment indicators questionnaires --- did they use activity monitors?
     
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  13. Jonathan Edwards

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    Rituximab does not deal with all B cell driven autoimmune diseases because it does not remove long lived plasma cells. In several autoimmune diseases autoantibodies are produced by short lived plasma cells, which die off, but that is not the case for all.

    Much more importantly the difference in antibody levels between ME patients and controls is minimal and provides clear evidence for these autoantibodies NOT being a cause of symptoms. The lack of correlation with severity adds to that. I think it is disappointing that the improvement after immuno-adsorption is touted as evidence in favour. That seems likely to be a placebo effect.

    We need better research than this. We need high profile research institutes to move away from promotional press releases and start talking like proper scientists. To be frank we need the critical patient community to be as tough on poor biomedical studies as on BPS studies.
     
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    FMMM1 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thank you very much for your reply.
     
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