Preprint Charting the Circulating Proteome in ME/CFS: Cross System Profiling and Mechanistic insights, 2025, Hoel, Fluge, Mella+

Discussion in 'ME/CFS research' started by SNT Gatchaman, May 31, 2025 at 11:38 PM.

  1. SNT Gatchaman

    SNT Gatchaman Senior Member (Voting Rights) Staff Member

    Messages:
    6,843
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    Charting the Circulating Proteome in ME/CFS: Cross System Profiling and Mechanistic insights
    August Hoel; Fredrik Hoel; Sissel Elisabeth Furesund Dyrstad; Henrique Chapola; Ingrid Gurvin Rekeland; Kristin Risa; Kine Alme; Kari Sorland; Karl Albert Brokstad; Hans-Peter Marti; Olav Mella; Oystein Fluge; Karl Johan Tronstad

    Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) is a debilitating condition often triggered by infections. The underlying mechanism remains poorly understood, and diagnostic markers and effective treatments are presently lacking.

    We performed aptamer-based serum proteomics in 54 ME/CFS patients and 27 healthy controls and identified 1823 of 7326 aptamers reporting differences between the groups (845 after false discovery rate (FDR) correction).

    Distinct patterns of tissue- and process-specific changes were seen. There was a broad increase in secreted proteins, while intracellular proteins, e.g. from skeletal muscle, particularly showed reduction. Immune cell-specific signatures indicated immune reprogramming, including a distinct reduction in neutrophil-associated proteins. Focused secretome analysis supported intensified regulatory interactions related to immune activity, inflammation, vasculature, and metabolism. Validation of measurements using antibody-based methods confirmed findings for a selection of proteins.

    The uncovered serum proteome patterns in ME/CFS patients help clarify a multifaceted pathophysiology and offer a foundation for future therapy and biomarker discovery efforts.

    Link | PDF (Preprint: MedRxiv) [Open Access]
     
    Mij, John Mac, Robert 1973 and 23 others like this.
  2. Utsikt

    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,176
    Location:
    Norway
    The patients are from RituxME and CycloME. Age and gender matched controls.
     
    Yann04, MeSci, Trish and 6 others like this.
  3. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    32,691
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    The introduction is really nicely written, I think.

    ref 29 Germain, A., Levine, S.M., and Hanson, M.R. (2021). In-Depth Analysis of the Plasma Proteome in ME/CFS Exposes Disrupted Ephrin-Eph and Immune System Signaling. S4ME thread

    ref 30Walitt, B., Singh, K., Lamunion, S.R., Hallett, M., Jacobson, S., Chen, K., Enose-Akahata, Y., Apps, R., Barb, J.J., Bedard, P., et al. (2024). Deep phenotyping of post-infectious myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome. S4ME thread
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2025 at 2:26 AM
    Yann04, Kitty, ukxmrv and 6 others like this.
  4. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    32,691
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    That data looks to be all in the Supplementary Tables, which is great. The data is anonymised and just uses age bands.
    Very good to see that the PCA was done using all of the aptamers, unlike the study we were looking at recently that only used the features that were significantly different between the groups and then miraculously found amazing separation of the groups.
    Screenshot 2025-06-01 at 1.45.01 pm.png
     
    Yann04, Kitty, MeSci and 12 others like this.
  5. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    32,691
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    Proteins that were the most different
    Screenshot 2025-06-01 at 1.50.40 pm.png

    So we can search on them, I've written them here

    Downregulated
    MMP17, DPYSL3, PPM1F, WWP1, LDHB, H2AZ1, ID2, CXADR, COMP, ATP5IF1, ALDOA, CELF2, TAGLN3, ANTXR2, IFI16, VIM, YY1, GAPDH, H2BC21 (Seq 2), H2AC1, H2BC21 (Seq 1), H2BC12, H2BU1, H1-2, H1-10

    Upregulated
    MCTS1, FABP3, FABP4 (Seq1), FAB4 (Seq2), CRABP2, None, ERP29, CFD, LIPG, CMPK1, TMED9, C6, RARRES2, FZD8, PGRMC1, GRIA4, PCSKIN, LMAN2, IL26, CANT1, TRAPPC3, FAM20A, PSMB3, OCRL, CHST12
     
    Lindberg, John Mac, Yann04 and 12 others like this.
  6. SNT Gatchaman

    SNT Gatchaman Senior Member (Voting Rights) Staff Member

    Messages:
    6,843
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
     
  7. forestglip

    forestglip Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,438
    54 ME/CFS and 27 HC.
    6494 proteins tested. 751 with significant q values.
    Down: intracellular proteins, including histones, metabolic enzymes | Up: immune system, metabolism | Up or down: vascular function
    Controlling for metabotype (what is metabotype?) and SF-36 physical function score to try to control for physical activity.
    Reduction in granulocyte associated proteins. 40% of neutrophil associated proteins were decreased. (Does this mean significantly decreased? How many were significantly increased?)
    I don't know what Ephrin is, but they said it's interesting so maybe it's interesting.
    29 is Germain, A., Levine, S.M., and Hanson, M.R. (2021). In-Depth Analysis of the Plasma Proteome in ME/CFS Exposes Disrupted Ephrin-Eph and Immune System Signaling. Proteomes 9, 6. https://10.3390/proteomes9010006 S4ME

    They followed up this aptamer-based protein measurement method on a smaller set of proteins using an antibody-based method. It appears to be on different participants as well.
    Is the 212 and 66 the total number of people in the ME/CFS biobank, while 83 and 48 are the number they chose for the validation portion? It says they randomly selected participants for both stages of the study. Did they try to avoid overlap?

    Looking at SupplData9, I am confused about the numbers. I see 83 ME/CFS and 29 HC, not 83 and 48. And I see data for 57 proteins, not 77.

    But anyway, the validation stage seemed to mostly agree with the first stage findings:
    upload_2025-6-1_1-13-25.png

    I think there's been talk of GDF15 on the forum. No difference here:
    MCTS1, gene involved in T-cell lymphoma, most increased overall.
    39 is Qi, P., Huang, M., and Li, T. (2022). Screening the Potential Biomarkers of COVID-19-Related Thrombosis Through Bioinformatics Analysis. Front Genet 13, 889348. https://10.3389/fgene.2022.889348.
     
  8. hotblack

    hotblack Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    886
    Location:
    UK
    And here’s links to the genecards (edit: put in a spoiler tag to not clog up the discussion)

    Downregulated
    MMP17
    DPYSL3
    PPM1F
    WWP1
    LDHB
    H2AZ1
    ID2
    CXADR
    COMP
    ATP5IF1
    ALDOA
    CELF2
    TAGLN3
    ANTXR2
    IFI16
    VIM
    YY1
    GAPDH
    H2BC21
    H2AC1
    H2BC21 (second hit)
    H2BC12
    H2BU1
    H1-2
    H1-10

    Upregulated
    MCTS1
    FABP3
    FABP4
    FAB4 (this one is invalid, I think a typo and it was a second hit for FABP4)
    CRABP2
    ERP29
    CFD
    LIPG
    CMPK1
    TMED9
    C6
    RARRES2
    FZD8
    PGRMC1
    GRIA4
    PCSKIN
    LMAN2
    IL26
    CANT1
    TRAPPC3
    FAM20A
    PSMB3
    OCRL
    CHST12
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2025 at 7:19 AM
    Kitty, ukxmrv, Jacob Richter and 4 others like this.
  9. SNT Gatchaman

    SNT Gatchaman Senior Member (Voting Rights) Staff Member

    Messages:
    6,843
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    The three metabotypes identified in A map of metabolic phenotypes in patients with myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (2021, JCI Insight)

    See In-Depth Analysis of the Plasma Proteome in ME/CFS Exposes Disrupted Ephrin-Eph and Immune System Signaling (2021, Proteomes)
     
    Yann04, ME/CFS Skeptic, Kitty and 5 others like this.
  10. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    32,691
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    There's lots that is interesting in this paper, not least that we are seeing some replications of findings.

    It will be good to hear from the researchers what they have found since the paper was submitted for publication regarding the lack of replication from the antibody-based method.

    I'm interested in this as I reliably got 3-day PEM from massages. I get brown urine from time to time, some symptoms seem to be like rhabdomyolysis.

    On the question of high myoglobin and low creatine, AI says:
    Low serum creatine kinase (CK) levels in the context of connective tissue diseases, even with high myoglobin, can be a complex clinical scenario. While CK is a marker for muscle damage, it doesn't always accurately reflect the severity or extent of inflammation, especially in connective tissue diseases. Myoglobin is released in larger quantities than CK during muscle damage, so high myoglobin with low CK could indicate a more subtle chronic inflammatory process or muscle injury rather than severe rhabdomyolysis.
    one of the references

    I wonder if some of the cohorts actually have a (mixed) connective tissue disease? It seems to me that there is a significant overlap of symptoms with ME/CFS.
     
    Mij, Sean, Murph and 14 others like this.
  11. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    17,666
    Location:
    London, UK
    What I see here is

    1. A lot of evidence for reduced activity lowering levels of proteins.
    2. The study is yet another powerful indicator that there is no inflammation or damage going on.
    3. Hidden in plain sight is one increased protein of interest (the top one): MCTS1. Gene card says: "Notably, it positively regulates interferon gamma immunity to mycobacteria by enhancing the translation of JAK2 (PubMed:37875108)."
     
    Mij, Sean, John Mac and 22 others like this.
  12. hotblack

    hotblack Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    886
    Location:
    UK
    So there could be an MCTS1 variation that rather than impairing functionality here enhances it? Another one of the various contributory factors?
     
    Yann04, Kitty, Jacob Richter and 2 others like this.
  13. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    17,666
    Location:
    London, UK
    It only just struck me in the last few days that finding raised levels of a protein (or RNA) in patients may be more of a sign of a genetic predisposition than a 'driving force' in a process. That came up with CD24. I could never see why an acquired disease should push up CD24 across a whole cell population. But of course if it is a disease process that is facilitated by a genetic tendency to express more CD24 it is not a problem.

    Here we are looking at proteomics so a raised MCTS1 protein could again either be just that process has set up that uses MCTS1 or it could be that people who tend to express a lot of MCTS1 are at risk of flipping in to this process. Either way the MCTS1 protein is presumably part of the process (unless there is linkage disequilibrium which I doubt) but in the second case you will not find the increased protein just restricted to the cells involved in the process. Moreover, you do not need to invoke some further upstream event that drives more MCTS1 as part of the process. The more MCTS1 comes with your genes.
     
    Yann04, Kitty, ukxmrv and 4 others like this.
  14. hotblack

    hotblack Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    886
    Location:
    UK
    That’s what I was wondering, cause or effect. Useful to know it could be either. I guess the only way we’ll know for sure is from genetic studies?
     
    Yann04, Kitty, ukxmrv and 3 others like this.
  15. Sasha

    Sasha Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    5,686
    Location:
    UK
    I wonder if the lack of highly sedentary controls could be a problem here. I haven't read the paper but from a quote above:

    I don't think that matching for BMI is necessarily enough. I have a normal BMI but have lost muscle and gained fat, due to my extreme inactivity. One of those fancy electrical checks for body composition would have helped (the ones with proper kit where you get electrodes stuck all over you).
     
    John Mac, Yann04, Hutan and 6 others like this.
  16. Simon M

    Simon M Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,139
    Location:
    UK
    Perhaps we should be cautious in relying on genetic explanations for a disease with only weak heritability.Almost everything that will come up in any GWAS will be common (so widespread in the population) and with a weak effect (though the effect is most likely to be on gene expression). Many people with the illness won’t have the risk genotype. Should we expect such a small effect to show in a study like this, particularly given the level of correction for multiple comparisons?
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2025 at 2:59 PM
  17. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    32,691
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    The paper linked above talks about an X-linked recessive MCTS1 deficiency in males - MCTS1 is on the X chromosome.

    I'm not sure how the gene works, if just one version works or if both contribute to the functionality. But, if there is an allele that increases interferon gamma responsiveness to a signal, perhaps that could be a reason for the female predominance in ME/CFS? I did see some papers that suggested that females produce more interferon gamma than men.
     
    Yann04, pooriepoor91, MeSci and 6 others like this.
  18. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    17,666
    Location:
    London, UK
    I think that is important and it may be relevant to the Beentjes proteomics findings on lipid metabolism and insulin resistance. It may be hard to factor all these things out completely though.
     
    Yann04, MeSci, Kitty and 4 others like this.
  19. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    17,666
    Location:
    London, UK
    Maybe, but I am just making the point that if we see proteins coming up on proteomics or cell labelling studies we should not just assume that the disease is switching them on. It may be that the disease occurs in people who always switch that protein on more. The protein is still likely to be involved in the disease but we don't have look for a mysterious signal in the disease mechanism that is pushing it up. If a disease occurs just because of normal processes overstepping a threshold then there may be no other extra mysterious cause.

    Common polymorphisms can have quite big effects on disease. B27 has a huge predisposing effect for Reiter's but the heritability of Reiter's is probably very low - much lower than ME/CFS. The intriguing thing is that we still have no idea why B27 does this, since it seems to function the same way as all other HLA-B alleles. But we know it has major effects on expression of a whole range of infectious disease - so it is n't to do with one magic peptide fitting somewhere.
     
    Holinger, Yann04, Lilas and 7 others like this.
  20. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    17,666
    Location:
    London, UK
    Interesting thought. I included in our paper an Indian paper that showed more gamma interferon responsiveness in women with TB. (And we did actually have a paragraph in brackets that suggested that women being more sensitive to gamma interferon signalling might obviate the need to invoke antibody!)
     
    Yann04, pooriepoor91, MeSci and 5 others like this.

Share This Page