Coronavirus - worldwide spread and control

Discussion in 'Epidemics (including Covid-19, not Long Covid)' started by Patient4Life, Jan 20, 2020.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    13,972
    Location:
    London, UK
    This should be standard management of a spreading infection. It was used in the TB outbreak my daughter got involved in. The strain was traced across the school using molecular biology. I am actually slightly surprised that the TB doctors have not been raising issues about tracing more - presumably they are not in a position to comment on policy.
     
    Amw66, AliceLily, TrixieStix and 14 others like this.
  2. Ebb Tide

    Ebb Tide Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    253
    From the BBC website:

    "Coronavirus in Scotland: Who is dying and where?
    The Scottish government has changed the way it reports coronavirus deaths in Scotland.

    The daily figures from Health Protection Scotland will still be published, but additional figures from the National Records of Scotland (NRS) will now be released every Wednesday.

    These new figures include all cases where Covid-19 is mentioned on a death certificate, even if the patient was not in hospital and had not been tested - and even if the virus was just one of a number of factors."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52214177

    Link to National Records of Scotland, pdf for week 14 gives the further details,

    https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/covid19stats
     
    Amw66, AliceLily, Mithriel and 6 others like this.
  3. Forbin

    Forbin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,581
    Location:
    USA
    The model also gives a range of predicted deaths. For instance, when it predicted 1308 deaths in the UK on Friday (4/10) it gave a range of 537 to 2782. [I'll admit that's a fairly wide range.]

    I noticed that the real numbers haven't been updated since 4/9. Maybe they don't get raw data on the weekend.
     
    Invisible Woman and JaneL like this.
  4. Adrian

    Adrian Administrator Staff Member

    Messages:
    6,511
    Location:
    UK
    Given the article and the mention of a database where this information is exchanged its clearly something that is just going on in the background with out much associated publicity.
     
  5. lunarainbows

    lunarainbows Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,828
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ing-hardest-modern-equivalent-victorian-slums

    Cramped living conditions may be accelerating UK spread of coronavirus

    Analysis by the New Policy Institute shows that even after allowing for the much higher infection rates in London, the top five most-crowded areas in the country have seen 70% more coronavirus cases than the five least-crowded, where better-off homeowners are likely to live in larger homes with spare bedrooms and more than one bathroom.

    Coronavirus hotspots such as London, which has 16,011 cases, and Birmingham, which has 1,604 cases, both have pockets of extreme overcrowding. Just over 11% of homes in the capital and 9% of homes in Birmingham are classed as overcrowded – the two highest rates in the UK.

    Professor Gabriel Scally, president of epidemiology at the Royal Society of Medicine, said he was enormously concerned that the virus was spreading through overcrowded housing because it passed easily between people living in close proximity and sharing facilities such as toilets and kitchens. “Houses in multiple occupation must be in the same category as care homes because of the sheer press of people,” he said. “I have no doubt that these kinds of overcrowded conditions are tremendously potent in spreading the virus.”
     
  6. Simbindi

    Simbindi Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,746
    Location:
    Somerset, England
    The figure for overcrowded homes is likely to be much higher in reality (by most people's understanding of the term). My council house would officially only be considered to be overcrowded after the living room has been used by 2 adults as an 'additional bedroom'. That would leave only the kitchen and the bathroom as 'non-bedrooms'! This is the principle applied to all social housing accommodation (whereas having just one free bedroom means the house is under-occupied).

    https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/repairs/check_if_your_home_is_overcrowded_by_law
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2020
    AliceLily, Michelle, Mithriel and 4 others like this.
  7. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    10,280
    Funny how none of those behaviourists are interested in how living in such crowded & cramped environments affect people's mental health.
     
    Woolie, Amw66, AliceLily and 10 others like this.
  8. Adrian

    Adrian Administrator Staff Member

    Messages:
    6,511
    Location:
    UK
  9. Keela Too

    Keela Too Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Well, I learned something new today! Thanks @Adrian for that cartoon explanation. :)
     
  10. Adrian

    Adrian Administrator Staff Member

    Messages:
    6,511
    Location:
    UK
    I thought is was a great cartoon. I've not read through the protocols yet but I suspect there is some complex maths behind bits of it and cryptography is often not easy to explain or understand.
     
    ukxmrv, AliceLily, Sean and 7 others like this.
  11. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    9,626
    Location:
    UK
    and of course actually having a mobile phone
     
  12. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    10,280
    These apps are a lovely idea, they really are.

    I'm still not signing up to them. I have zero trust in the privacy.

    I have a very low online presence and yet I have had various apps recommended & forwarded to me from all angles. It's getting very annoying.

    This isn't aimed at you @Adrian - liked the cartoon post explanation - just in general.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 14, 2020
  13. lunarainbows

    lunarainbows Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,828
    Is the U.K. definitely going to be getting a tracking app? I remember an article about that - but were they just exploring that or is it definitely getting rolled out to everyone?
     
  14. Adrian

    Adrian Administrator Staff Member

    Messages:
    6,511
    Location:
    UK
    The point about what the DP-3T group are trying to do is to reduce the privacy risks by not having central data collection. If you don't have good data then it is hard to abuse the privacy of individuals - although correlation with mobile records could be possible.

    I did see something suggesting that the NHS one isn't using this approach so I've no idea what they are using. But if they don't do something like the above then data would be accessible.

    I would also be concerned at the 'broadcast every few minutes' part as is this enough for contract tracing?
     
    Michelle, JaneL and Invisible Woman like this.
  15. Adrian

    Adrian Administrator Staff Member

    Messages:
    6,511
    Location:
    UK
    Not sure. Hancock talked about it today so it could happen sometime in the next 10 years. The concern would be what data they are tracking. They talked about releasing source code but they also need to publish protocols they are using for review.
     
    ladycatlover, Simbindi, JaneL and 2 others like this.
  16. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,200
    I hope this is not a reporting glitch, but good news in Australia.

    After plateauing for most of a week, new cases plummeted yesterday to a level not seen since the start of the pandemic. I do think it will spike suddenly for a bit, as we are taking in maybe 100 cases from cruise ships - I am not sure when this will happen though, I did not follow up on the story.
     
    Woolie, AliceLily, Sean and 7 others like this.
  17. Robert 1973

    Robert 1973 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,353
    Location:
    UK
    Rosalyn J. Moran et al. Estimating required ‘lockdown’ cycles before immunity to SARS-CoV-2: Model-based analyses of susceptible population sizes, ‘S0’, in seven European countries including the UK and Ireland: https://www.fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk/spm/covid-19/Moran_arXiv_2020.pdf
    https://twitter.com/user/status/1249305829351796738

    I'd recommend reading all of Anthony Costello's summary of the paper by clicking on the Twitter thread above - 23 posts in all.

    He concludes:
    https://twitter.com/user/status/1249305866056204289

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1249305872033034240

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1249305879863857152

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1249305885530341376
     
    Woolie, Ebb Tide, ukxmrv and 6 others like this.
  18. Subtropical Island

    Subtropical Island Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,016
    Best wait for a few days after Easter, as testing numbers might be down over the long weekend too. Will see
     
    Woolie, Ebb Tide, ukxmrv and 3 others like this.
  19. Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    591
    Location:
    Adelaide, Australia
    Yes, the number of tests tends to drop over the weekends here. The long weekend has seen even less testing: https://www.covidlive.com.au/
     
    Woolie, Ebb Tide and JaneL like this.
  20. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,857
    Location:
    Australia
    Testing rates have dropped to around 25% over the weekend, so take these figures with a heavy dose of skepticism.
     
    Woolie, Ebb Tide, FMMM1 and 2 others like this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page