David Tuller: Trial By Error: BMJ Still "Looking Into" Lightning Process Paper

[Sly Saint]

I have no idea how the problems could be explained away

But this is Crawley........anything is possible (it would seem).

 

[Alvin]

but why would that take time to consider - I have no idea how the problems could be explained away.

Its a stall tactic, they hope that a small gesture will make the problem go away by placating critics and hopefully we forget about the issue before the end of time.

 

[Barry]

"we have received clarifications from the authors" - hmmm, that will be a first.

 

[Luther Blissett]

http://www.ipa2016.com/plenarysessions

28th International Conference of Pediatrics, Vancouver, Canada.

An exciting plenary on the “Most Influential Articles That May Change Your Practice” with Lewis First, Editor, Pediatrics; Noni McDonald, Editor, Paediatric &Child Health; Richard Horton, Editor, Lancet; Nick Brown, Global Health Editor, Archives of Diseases of Childhood

heh.

 

[Luther Blissett]

Possible further reading

https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/handle/10822/935804

The COPE Report 1999 - Guidelines on Good Publication Practice

Creator
Fulford, Philip
Doherty, Michael
Smith, Jane
Smith, Richard
Godlee, Fiona
Wilmshurst, Peter
Horton, Richard
Farthing, Michael

https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/handle/10822/1039851

Clinical Trial Registration: Looking Back and Moving Ahead
Annals of Internal Medicine 2007 August 21; 147(4): 275-277

Creator
Laine, Christine
Horton, Richard
DeAngelis, Catherine D.
Drazen, Jeffrey M.
Frizelle, Frank A.
Godlee, Fiona
Haug, Charlotte
Hébert, Paul C.
Kotzin, Sheldon
Marusic, Ana
Sahni, Peush
Schroeder, Torben V.
Sox, Harold C.
Van Der Weyden, Martin B.
Verheugt, Freek W.A.

https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/handle/10822/1040153

Uniform Format for Disclosure of Competing Interests in ICMJE Journals
Annals of Internal Medicine 2010 January 19; 152(2): 125-126

Creator
Drazen, Jeffrey M.
Van Der Weyden, Martin B.
Sahni, Peush
Rosenberg, Jacob
Marusic, Ana
Laine, Christine
Kotzin, Sheldon
Horton, Richard
Hébert, Paul C.
Haug, Charlotte
Godlee, Fiona
Frizelle, Frank A.
de Leeuw, Peter W.
Deangelis, Catherine D.

https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/handle/10822/938732

Global Information Flow
Lancet 2000 September 30; 356(9236): 1129-1130

Creator
Godlee, Fiona
Horton, Richard
Smith, Richard

https://publicationethics.org/resources/code-conduct

History and context of the COPE guidelines
COPE's first guidelines were developed by Philip Fulford, Michael Doherty, Jane Smith, Richard Smith, Fiona Godlee, Peter Wilmshurst, Richard Horton and Michael Farthing, after discussion at the COPE meeting in April 1999. These were published as Guidelines on Good Publication Practice (Download PDF 112 kb) in the Annual Report of 1999 (Download PDF, 4.4 Mb).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19825973

Uniform format for disclosure of competing interests in ICMJE journals.
N Engl J Med. 2009 Nov 5;361(19):1896-7. doi: 10.1056/NEJMe0909052. Epub 2009 Oct 13.

Drazen JM, Van der Weyden MB, Sahni P, Rosenberg J, Marusic A, Laine C, Kotzin S, Horton R, Hébert PC, Haug C, Godlee F, Frizelle FA, de Leeuw PW, DeAngelis CD.

http://student.bmj.com/student/view-article.html?id=sbmj.i3614

My biggest career failure

Fiona Godlee, editor in chief, The BMJ

...In 1995, while in the US on a Harkness fellowship, I was shortlisted for the Lancet editorship. The selection process took months and in the end it came down to two of us, me and Richard Horton who was then an assistant editor on the Lancet as I was on The BMJ. Richard was offered the job and I thought my life was over. But one kind mentor told me I would live to be grateful, and she was right. It’s possible that had I got the Lancet job at that early stage in my editing career, both I and the journal would have suffered from my inexperience.

https://www.symptoma.com/en/research/profile/f_godlee

Co-Author network - Richard Horton #22 Co-publications

 

[TiredSam]

It’s possible that had I got the Lancet job at that early stage in my editing career, both I and the journal would have suffered from my inexperience.

Well thank goodness the job landed in the safe hands of Richard Horton then, otherwise who knows how the Lancet might have disgraced itself.

 

[Alvin]

A thought experiment, would they publish a paper that says you can treat Cancer or Alzheimers with LP?
Why or why not?

 

[NelliePledge]

the CBT for over 65s project Sharpe is doing to keep them out of hospital might as well be called CBT for Alzheimers its only a couple of steps from that to LP isnt it. And thats how it all happens - incrementally - CBT ifying of everything is opening the door to potential LP ifying of everything

 

[Alvin]

the CBT for over 65s project Sharpe is doing to keep them out of hospital might as well be called CBT for Alzheimers its only a couple of steps from that to LP isnt it. And thats how it all happens - incrementally - CBT ifying of everything is opening the door to potential LP ifying of everything

Got a link that he is treating Alzheimers with CBT?
If he is claiming its a cure i would call attention to it, divide and conquer.

 

[NelliePledge]

Got a link that he is treating Alzheimers with CBT?
If he is claiming its a cure i would call attention to it, divide and conquer.

https://oxfordpsychologicalmedicine.org/research/thehomestudy/

 

[Alvin]

https://oxfordpsychologicalmedicine.org/research/thehomestudy/

Sounds somewhat ok on the surface. But whats beneath and the actual goings on are far more important.

Perhaps someone should point out very publicly that he has a history of doctoring results so he can't be trusted to be honest
Maybe the funders of the study should be made aware of this and if he lies again it may cost more money then it saves...?

 

[NelliePledge]

Sounds somewhat ok on the surface. But whats beneath and the actual goings on are far more important.

Perhaps someone should point out very publicly that he has a history of doctoring results so he can't be trusted to be honest
Maybe the funders of the study should be made aware of this and if he lies again it may cost more money then it saves...?

sorry thought I had posted link to the thread its being discussed on https://www.s4me.info/threads/the-home-study-michael-sharpe-s-cbt-for-the-elderly.2499/#post-45733

 

[rvallee]

A thought experiment, would they publish a paper that says you can treat Cancer or Alzheimers with LP?
Why or why not?

At this point I'm not sure of the answer. UK medicine is entering a bizarre reversal into pseudoscience for the sake of cutting costs everywhere.

 

[Alvin]

At this point I'm not sure of the answer. UK medicine is entering a bizarre reversal into pseudoscience for the sake of cutting costs everywhere.

I noticed but we can use that against them and for science, lies increase costs

I do suspect they would be more careful when dealing with mainstream diseases because they can get away more easily with kicking a maligned disease rather then a well known one. If they tried to claim they could cure heart disease with CBT and fabricated the evidence they would lose credibility and their medical licenses very quickly
If they claim instead that they can treat the depression "caused" by heart disease, a wishy washy way of skirting the lies.