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Does fatigue and distress in a clinical cohort of adolescents with CFS correlate with fatigue and distress in their parents?, 2018, Loades et al

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic research - ME/CFS and Long Covid' started by Andy, Nov 10, 2018.

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    Andy Committee Member

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    Paywalled at https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cch.12626
     
    Andy, Nov 10, 2018
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    Do I interpret this correctly?
    Fatigued children do (usually) not have fatigued parents?
     
    Manganus, Nov 10, 2018
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    Looks like they looked at a wide range of possible associations between different factors as shown on questionnaires. Then cherry picked the ones they found interesting and put some of these in the results section and some in the conclusions section.

    My main take away from this abstract is that they didn't find the association they thought (hoped?) they would find to confirm their prejudice that kids are sicker when they have inadequate mothers.
    Coming from Trudie Chalder's team, I don't think they even understand what they are doing.
     
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    How about comparing with families who are dealing with other chronic illness in their children? This is child's play level research.
     
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    It is autism and refrigerator mothers all over again.
     
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    Can't comment on that.

    But:

    An alternative interpretation would be testing (indirectly) for genetic components.
     
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    Yes, this is the important part, the main finding:



    Edit: was ment as a reply to @Manganus first post, forgot to use the reply button :p
     
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    I think the correct interpretation is this is a jobs program for mediocre researchers who publish useless studies for the sake of publishing useless studies.

    Because why work on fixing the problem when you can instead describe it slightly differently but equally uselessly or find yet another way of mixing causation with correlation?

    Also: is fatigue the new stress? The thing that you can just chalk everything down to because you can't test for it and so it's a magical explanation where researchers can basically color in what they want as long as it confirms their bias?
     
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    Where’s the tripe picture when you need it :wtf:
     
    NelliePledge, Nov 10, 2018
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    Imagine dedicating your life to producing this kind of turd.
     
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    the tripe seems to be getting bigger and uglier just like the real world.
     
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    Adolescent and parent factors related to fatigue in paediatric multiple sclerosis and chronic fatigue syndrome: a comparative study

    Susan Carroll
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    Trudie Chalder
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    Cheryl Hemingway
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    Isobel Heyman
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    Holly Bear
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    Louise Sweeney
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    Rona Moss-Morris
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    [​IMG]Email the author Rona Moss-Morris
    Published Online: November 02, 2018

    https://www.ejpn-journal.com/article/S1090-3798(18)30016-3/fulltext

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    “In paediatric Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), effective psychological interventions have been developed based on psychosocial factors associated with fatigue. This study aimed to identify potentially modifiable factors of fatigue in caMS by comparing caMS, adolescents with CFS, healthy adolescents and their parents on measures of fatigue, psychosocial factors, and neurocognitive functioning.”
     
    Cinders66, Nov 17, 2018
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    Bastards
     
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