Editorial: Lancet: Rethinking lived experience 2026

Andy

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"The theme of this year's World Mental Health Day, held on Oct 10, is Lived experiences heard: real voices, real change. On its website, WHO states that the voices of people with lived experience should “shape the policies, services and decisions that affect their lives”. While these are laudable aims, they also serve to highlight the complex challenges involved in lived experience engagement and co-production, both within the field of mental health and beyond.

Lived experience is, according to WHO, “what someone has experienced themselves, especially when it gives the individual knowledge or understanding that people who have only heard or learnt about such experiences do not have”. This definition is unfortunately vague—eg, it does not distinguish personal from carer experience, and the phrase “only heard or learnt about” might cover a wide range of knowledge, from hearsay to decades of research and practice. Nevertheless, it establishes the foundational assumption of the lived experience movement: that key aspects of mental health are known or understood only by people who have lived through mental health problems."

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It’s funny how the ‘lived experience’ of medics often trumps the ‘lived experience’ of patients. It’s one of the reasons I’m not sure in how helpful the term is as it seems place experiences of group against the other rather than look at evidence.

We need to look at evidence no matter where it comes from. And evidence is not the purview of professionals. Especially those who nay be out of date or subject to their own biases.
 
So basically, "maybe doctors should listen to the patients".
Oh, no, no no no. They just need to come up with better explanations for our subjective experience. They just need to explain it better and come up with the perfect words that will make us say "uh, I guess" and then they'll write it all down exactly as they wanted it to have happened, regardless of what was actually said.

As a starting point, making this about mental health only shows how deep the problem is, because it's far from limited to mental health, and obviously illness is always a subjective experience regardless, a solid half of the whole that has been completely neglected, and will continue to be until it's stopped. But of course this is just virtue signalling from the Lancet, they don't even believe in this, they just want people to think highly of them, to give them credit for putting out words they don't really care about.

We could simply send them a signed letter mostly saying "you first, do the thing with PACE", and they'd just ignore it, because none of this is about patients or better outcomes, let alone our lived experience, which we have to live with every single day, something they never actually have to think about. This problem exists all over medicine and in fact consists mainly of reattributing illness as mental disorders. It's simply not compatible with taking that experience into account because all the traditional models and opinions have ignored it, simply can't account for it.

But of course they frame it completely wrong anyway. The editorial talks about part of the problem being about clinicians being "detached" observers, but of course they never actually are so. Most of them are indifferent to our experience, not their job, not trained for this, they'd say, or in fact they are way too attached to their own interpretations, models and opinions. Which usually contradict our lived experience, and always they choose their own biases over it. It's never not knowing that is the problem, it's the horseshit they fill their ignorance with, never actually listening to what we tell them.

This is just marketing. It happens once a year around "mental health awareness day", and then they never think about it again. Empty words from dishonorable people. And although it is problematic to have such a negative view of the whole institution, and the industry, based on what we know of how it truly operates, frankly that's just lived experience, but there's no point bothering further with that because they don't care. That much is sadly indisputable.
 
I have never found a doctor - even a sympathetic one (excluding Science for ME members) who has shown any willingness to engage with my lived experience of their colleagues gaslighting and negligence, and the iatrogenic harm I have suffered because of it. Until that changes and doctors en masse face up to what has been done to us, statements like this can only ever be performative.
 
I have full sympathy with members when it comes to gaslighting and being ignored.

But I have consistently found that whenever 'Lived Experience' is raised like this, it is with an axe to grind, an axe designed to promote muddle-headed and often psychological approaches. It says:

Lived experience can help shape new therapeutic approaches including avatar therapy, investigate important but neglected problems, such as medication side-effects, and build compassionate, community-centred mental health services globally.

I bet there is no reliable evidence for 'avatar therapy', whatever that is. And oh yes, we want 'community centred' services so that things can be kept away from the critical expertise and meaningful research of specialist centres . Lots of jolly multidisciplinary teams no doubt.

As ever, I think people should be careful what they wish for.
 
"The theme of this year's World Mental Health Day, held on Oct 10, is Lived experiences heard: real voices, real change. On its website, WHO states that the voices of people with lived experience should “shape the policies, services and decisions that affect their lives”. While these are laudable aims, they also serve to highlight the complex challenges involved in lived experience engagement and co-production, both within the field of mental health and beyond.

Lived experience is, according to WHO, “what someone has experienced themselves, especially when it gives the individual knowledge or understanding that people who have only heard or learnt about such experiences do not have”. This definition is unfortunately vague—eg, it does not distinguish personal from carer experience, and the phrase “only heard or learnt about” might cover a wide range of knowledge, from hearsay to decades of research and practice. Nevertheless, it establishes the foundational assumption of the lived experience movement: that key aspects of mental health are known or understood only by people who have lived through mental health problems."

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Agree that it is at the sentiment stage and still feels locked in the 'good patient' hegemony without it being accompanied by a plan of safeguards to make it real lived experience. At its worst it could be the profession still daring to try and even own the very experience patients have stuck on them and have to trot out in order to escape the system. ie turning them further into puppets. which is of course as harmful a thing and violating a thing as you could do to a person. Being forced to sponsor the thing that harms you otherwise... well just look at the power that's had over you with a label.

they need to tackle how people, including those in the industry, react and receive that brave honesty. Because that's been the issue - it has been used to hurt people, whether what they have is physical health or mental health, by false accusations that if they don't like what they hear then the person is mad and there is huge power given to them by virtue of that accusation even if their position carries no license or expertise to declare it is the person's perception being wrong rather than the situation being as they stated.

We have a ridiculous situation where someone could describe pure facts of their life and the receivers declare these as 'emotions' simply because it is upsetting to them as not a nice life or nice thing to be done to someone - yet the person having to live it is doing incredibly stoically and well - so they get treated as if 'the problem' is the emotional thing they don't have and in fact have the opposite of that should be meaning they get huge respect by their same orthodoxy (carrying on despite suffering what they couldn't). And that is used to nothing them and turn up the heat and take away their them. Which is the worst thing you can do to someone.

They also need to be called out on their disgusting straw man agenda where they find someone who they can say is 'an example for hope' but is instead an outlier. We all know the hint isn't telling those extremely ill that there is something to be hopeful for. It is to distract the conversation from those less fortunate being at least heard, nevermind getting acknowledgement and some of the support that could help them.

ANd of course there is the issue that in this ablist atmosphere where those with the biggest elbows or just most out there in the world and least invisible due to being the least ill and most supported/connected get elevated to speak because the logistics of any 'lived experienced' being heard tend to be exclusionary to those who can't do x, y, z and still speak. And because even if someone heroically found a way then the risk they are putting themselves under by doing so is life-risking potentially when those saying 'what they want to hear' is going to lead to pats on the head.

And what about those misdiagnosed, they get disappeared as irrelevant if it was true and in denial and yet the harm caused by it would be a major issue that would need to be tackled

None of this that I have said is anything ground-breaking or a secret, it is what everyone knows is and always has been obvious

try asking doctors about how they are treated in the workplace, and claiming that you are including those who are young and disadvantaged and it is going to care about those being bullied etc. then pretending that it will automatically have included those in horrific situations when every person in every career knows the way forward is never to talk about what happened to you at your last workplace. particularly when it is a small world at the top of the hierarchy.

I have sympathy for the risk to their careers, but they need to realise how even huger and more encompassing the risk is for those who are ill - it is their careers and any other career and their body and their freedom and their safety and their existence to be heard and exist in the world under truth, it is any finances and therefore any freedom from brutality and so on.
 
I have never found a doctor - even a sympathetic one (excluding Science for ME members) who has shown any willingness to engage with my lived experience of their colleagues gaslighting and negligence, and the iatrogenic harm I have suffered because of it. Until that changes and doctors en masse face up to what has been done to us, statements like this can only ever be performative.
when I see one of these things using terms like fact and truth and ensuring it is representative of the population but in particular making sure silenced voices are given protection and respect so it can be heard then it will be real. Voices are voices, facts are facts type stuff instead of the more worthy/less worthy signifiers coming through that sadly means truth is a lost concept in a hierarchy as is self-awareness (because if noone can say you are wrong without being called something that destroys that then in too many it starts becoming a filter for what you'll 'let' someone say or talk on)

anything that has that disparaging tone as if one side of the coin is real experience and the other side is mere perception and feeling is of course BS and not realising the issue of agenda
 
Lived experience can help shape new therapeutic approaches including avatar therapy, investigate important but neglected problems, such as medication side-effects, and build compassionate, community-centred mental health services globally.

I bet there is no reliable evidence for 'avatar therapy', whatever that is.

I suspect lived experience could help shape an approach to avatar therapy - i.e. to say ignore it (but then I also don't know what avatar therapy is - I'm wondering if in involves watching a very tedious film).
 
If this is the 'avatar therapy' they're referring to, it's intended for people who have psychotic episodes hearing voices. https://avatartherapy.co.uk/

Yes, it seems a bit like GET. If you are upset by hearing voices then do avatar therapy where you get to hear more voices made up by the psychiatrist so that you get used to hearing voices and forget they were ever a problem.

What that has to do with the concept of Lived Experience I am not sure.
 
I have been silenced for 35 years and now even the Lancet wants to help to hear me?
Why don't I believe that?
Lived experience with all kinds of hypocritical: "We want to hear from you", no you don't, never have.
And even if you hear, you certainly won't listen.
 
I have been silenced for 35 years and now even the Lancet wants to help to hear me?
Why don't I believe that?
Lived experience with all kinds of hypocritical: "We want to hear from you", no you don't, never have.
And even if you hear, you certainly won't listen.
History and our own experience suggests all that will happen is they will hear the words, form their own version of what that means and ultimately that leads to GET and CBT because they truly believe this garbage works despite the overwhelming evidence that it actually harms people. Liars lie, the "we are listening" is a ruse, a mental game they play to appear to be good while all the time plotting how to get us to accept the thing they know we need and refuse to take. Their opinion is currently unchangeable, even in the face of a genuine biomarker it will take the (natural) deaths of many clinicians before the self evident truth becomes common.
 
What about the unlived experiences of all the people who have died from suicide and/or medical incompetence? The unlived experiences of people rotting away in darkened rooms? The lived experiences of the hundreds of people who contacted George Monbiot within hours to describe their woeful experiences with doctors?

Our lived experience shows the Lancet does not care, much like the BMJ's "Patient Power" virtue signaling. That lived experience must never challenge the status quo and gravy train. Mostly it get ignored because it is easy to ignore, but if expression starts having an impact, cue the news articles howling about harassment and extremists.
 
But I have consistently found that whenever 'Lived Experience' is raised like this, it is with an axe to grind, an axe designed to promote muddle-headed and often psychological approaches.
It usually is, but from a patient perspective it's very notable how the experience of illness is entirely missing from how health care operates, and how much that's missing by focusing everything on verifiable disease. It's half the equation, no wonder there are so many gaps. It would be like restaurants that operate as 100% focused on what goes on in the kitchen, and never had to worry about what happens in the dining room, because it's always filled anyway. So, basically like a very poorly run cafeteria where all the diners are captive. The food is never good at those, even food poisonings don't deter the operations.

Of course a psychological approach to it is just as misguided as preferring patients that are a lethargic unresponsive blob of meat accompanied by a chart of vital signs and test results, it's just that bridging the two is just not something that's been achieved at scale yet. It's a good idea in itself, it's just never been achieved, and a big part of this is that a lot of people would gladly rate complete woo nonsense as 10/10. But that's just part of the problem, and what makes it so hard.
 
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