Gastroparesis, post-prandial pain, eating difficulties

When I reflect on the time when my son was very severe, I think I didn't seek help quickly enough to manage food and water intake. Of course, 'help' is so often limited and sometimes distinctly unhelpful, but families in this situation need and deserve professional support.
That’s what I’m trying to not let happen. It’s so hard when you need help so critically, yet going to get it may very well make the situation even worse. I’m hoping we can go the G.I. route by getting help from someone in that office tomorrow because he desperately does not want to go to the emergency room. His first and only Covid infection in 2022 is what disabled him, and our area is in the middle of a big Covid wave now, making the emergency room even more risky for him aside from regular PEM concerns.
When I had a period of troublesome bouts of post-prandial pain, I found lying down with legs elevated after eating seemed to be helpful.
This is helpful, thanks. I will suggest it to him. He has an adjustable bed, so he has the option to have it elevate his legs.

He decided he was ready to try again with the lentils and naan, so I’m praying that goes well (he wanted to eat alone so he could watch videos, lol, so I will have to wait and see how it went). I’m proud of him for trying again.
 
When I reflect on the time when my son was very severe
I also want to add that it’s really an encouragement to me here when I see people refer to “when I was severe” or “during the times my son was severe.” My son has generally been in a slow progressive decline version of the illness to this point, with some long plateaus at various points, but it is an encouragement to know that that doesn’t necessarily mean he will always be so. I love to think of a day when he could also say “when I was more severe.”
 
Though not something I personally have had issues with, in previous threads here some of us have reported issues with dietary fibre.

I do hope you get medical support for your son quickly. This is such an important but poorly supported area of our care. Though there won’t be many dieticians with experience of ME/CFS it may still be worth asking to see one as they should have ideas on maximising calorie intake with limited food intake.
 
Hi @Cedar. My heart goes out to you both, and I hope the GI doc will get back to you soon and that you will find a dietician to help. If he needs to be admitted for testing or NG feeding and fluids, the GI doc may be able to arrange for him to be admitted straight to a single room without the need to go to the emergency room first.

I'm sharing some of my very limited experience of eating issues not because I'm suggesting your son will be able for any of this now, but in case any of it is helpful to you in the future, when he's not in such a crisis.

My eating issues did not get as bad as your son's. But as you know, I have had some eating issues. About 5 years ago, I suddenly developed intolerances to most FODMAPs after 6 months of intermittent bowel issues. That caused me to feel full of air after meals and have crampy pain, nausea and diarrhoea. So there was a period of a few months when I was not getting normal amounts of food, before we got my meals sorted.

Then a few years later, I had a 3-month period where I could eat very little and lost a lot of weight. My normal weight is only just into the normal BMI range, so I was in trouble quickly. I felt very uncomfortably full all the time, despite eating at most one-third of what I usually ate, and sometimes barely anything. I needed a medication to promote gut motility taken 30 mins before eating, and a dietician's help to put it back on.

Those two periods were very difficult for me and for my carers as we scrabbled around trying to find things I could tolerate, so I can only imagine how difficult things are for you and your son at the moment. There was a lot of trial and error, which was exhausting and frustrating for us all, but things did improve.

The basic principles the dietician taught me about maximising nutrition when intake is low were:
  1. first priority was protein
  2. second priority was fat (can be tough on stomach, but has 9 calories per gram, sauces, olive oil etc)
  3. carbs were here in the priority list, because they contain only 4 calories per gram
  4. lowest priority was fruit and veg
But when I was tolerating very little due to feeling very very full all the time, the priority was fluids and just finding something that didn't turn my stomach (e.g. nibbling a few dry cornflakes, or the inside of a baked potato with salt). My mother made a low-FODMAP broth that kept me going. Second step was trying tiny amounts of white fish or some other protein.

Ideally, I would have been on oral nutrition supplements. These come in many different forms from thin drinks to thick drinks to pudding consistency. A general practitioner can prescribe these without your son seeing a gastro or dietician if you cannot get one of those soon. Here, they all contain dairy and I don't tolerate that so I ccouldn't use them. Nor could we add cream/butter/yoghurts which is the other thing widely recommended.

We tried smoothies but I found the consistency made me feel too full, it was hard to find low-FODMAP combinations and protein powder was not constipation-friendly.

The dietician always emphasised favouring foods I liked and dumping anything I didn't like or that caused problems. Even though fruit was low priority, I found I needed a little just for taste and enjoyment. Golden kiwis are particularly good as they just melt in your mouth, you barely need to chew.

She suggested little and often rather than big meals, but I found that was too much interaction, with carers coming in too often. Having a few things that didn't need refrigeration in the bedroom that I could pick at myself was good.

Ultimately, I found nut butters helpful. High calorie but easy to eat. Peanut butter has the best protein content. I like almond butter and walnut butter too. And tahini. You can eat them just by the teaspoon - this is easy in bed, because they don't need refrigeration, so you could have a tupperware with a couple of teaspoons lined up, loaded with a nut/seed butter. Or put them on something e.g. a spoon of almond butter on each half of a very soft date. Peanut and walnut butters are the lowest in FODMAPs, so I favoured those until my tolerance of almond butter increased a bit.

My mum made little (low-FODMAP) oatballs - nice and small so they weren't overwhelming, but full of nut butters and seeds and oats.

There was a walnut and lentil spread that I really liked, but it was a bit labour-intensive for my carers so it never took off.

Edamame beans are good on protein and fat (but they do have fibre, like lentils) and easy to prepare - you can buy them frozen and boil them for 10 mins, then have them hot or cold. They could be mashed if chewing is a problem.

A boiled egg or just the egg white can be good.

Normal portions were overwhelming when I could take very little. Tiny portions were better. A bit like the other thread where it's discouraging to have to say "No".

I still get the odd bout of quite severe digestive pain and gas even when I haven't knowingly eaten FODMAPs or too much cruciferous. Strong peppermint tea helps a bit. A heatpad on belly can help too.

Hoping so much that you and your son get good help soon so that things become more manageable.
 
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@Evergreen That’s tons of useful suggestions, thanks. His GI is on vacation this week (because of course), but someone else in the office responded and decided he should have an endoscopy and put in the referral. I’ll be calling as soon as my son is awake to okay the scheduling times. I also messaged his primary care to loop her in and get advice on what we would do if he needed fluids.

He achieved 1000 calories yesterday, and close to that the day before, which made me feel better than before. The occasional pain with fluids is confounding to me. I thought perhaps this was MCAS related, but I don’t know if water would cause that (though today it was from herbal tea—he handled pancakes fine, but an hour later drank some lemon balm tea and got immediate pain—yesterday the same tea was soothing. Frustrating.)
 
My only experience with gastrointestinal pain has been IBS and FODMAP intolerances. I have not been severe and struggled to eat in the same way that your son has. I think @Evergreen had some really good suggestions there. I was able to go through an elimination diet to determine if I had food intolerances, and which groups were causing me troubles, but it is a very intensive project and requires a lot of changes, which I don’t know if your son could handle right now. Lentils being a comfort food for your son would no longer be an option for example. It could be worth it to try to incorporate some low FODMAP food options or do a week of just low FODMAP eating and see if it improves his symptoms. You probably won’t want to do the full elimination and reintroduction phases because the reintroduction can be painful if you do have intolerances.

I’ve never had drinking fluids, be painful, but when I was eating too many FOD maps in my reintroduction phase, even my safe foods were painful. Garlic and onions cause huge problems for me if I don’t have enzymes. If I had too much garlic and onion, without enzymes, the next two meals could be painful because my digestive system was still struggling.

The low FODMAP diet was conceived for people with IBS, so considering the amount of people with ME/CFS who have IBS, it could be something to consider if you have the time and energy. Let me know if you want some resources and some food options (or even some enzymes) and I can send them here. I went through this whole process with a dietician. If you have the money, they can be useful. Please listen to other people’s suggestions before my own though because they have gone through more challenges with food and eating than I have.

I hope the endoscopy goes well and that they can make it as an ME/CFS friendly as possible.
 
@Cedar, so glad to hear your son has managing more food. Such a pity the doctor is away this week. It always seems to be the way, doesn't it?

Very confusing on the drinks. I don't know what the answer is there. Could it be timing? Might his digestive system need complete rest after a meal? You're right to find out how to get him fluids in case he needs them.

[Note: in this paragraph, I am not suggesting that your son has difficulty with FODMAPs, just sympathising with the experience of very confusing patterns.] There's a similarly tricky thing that happens with FODMAPs where with some of them, the effects are delayed, whereas with others, they start right away. So you might get symptoms at lunchtime on Tuesday that are actually from dinner on Monday. If you start avoiding what you had for lunch on Tuesday, you've identified the wrong culprit and you keep getting symptoms and taking out more and more foods that are fine. (Read more here.)

Steinsvik et al. 2023 describe something that sounds more similar to what your son is experiencing:
Key summary

Gastrointestinal symptoms are common in ME/CFS, but there is a knowledge gap in the literature concerning gastrointestinal motility features and detailed symptom description.
  • In this study, patients with ME/CFS had signs of impaired gastric accommodation after a liquid meal.
  • Out of 20 patients, 15 patients reported fullness/bloating, 9 reported abdominal pain, and 7 reported nausea. The patients showed signs of visceral hypersensitivity on a drink test.
  • Our findings suggest that patients with ME/CFS share many similarities with patients with Functional Dyspepsia. The findings were not typical for Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

Best of luck with all the tests.
 
Thanks @SugarSquared I did buy some digestive enzymes but I don’t think he has tried them yet. I think it gets a lot for him to keep trying different things. (He’s also autistic which adds a wrinkle to the dietary piece. He can really only eat what he feels like he can eat.)
Steinsvik et al. 2023 describe something that sounds more similar to what your son is experiencing:
That’s interesting. He typically eats a lot of soup due to his stomach not feeling well and I wonder if this is actually counterproductive? Im honestly hoping for a more clear cause than “functional dyspepsia” because I think that will be further demoralizing for him. It’s already so hard having ME with so little understanding and he feels so disbelieved.
 
(He’s also autistic which adds a wrinkle to the dietary piece. He can really only eat what he feels like he can eat.)
Yeah, then the elimination diet is definitely a bad option. Simple digestive enzymes could hopefully help, like Beano. Beano is chewable too, so it hopefully doesn't cause too much extra effort. If you have the money and would like to try an enzyme my dietitian recommended for me, FODZYME is a powder you put on your food. It has the same enzyme as Beano, as well as one specific to fructans and lactose. It worked great for me, but I prefer a swallowable pill format. However, for your son, the powder format may be best.
 
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