High Somatization Rates, Frequent Spontaneous Recovery, and a Lack of Organic Biomarkers in Post-Covid-19 Condition, 2024, Tröscher et al.

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    SNT Gatchaman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    High Somatization Rates, Frequent Spontaneous Recovery, and a Lack of Organic Biomarkers in Post-Covid-19 Condition
    Anna Tröscher; Patrick Gebetsroither; Marc Rindler; Vincent Böhm; Rainer Dormann; Tim von Oertzen; Anna Heidbreder; Raimund Helbok; Judith Wagner

    INTRODUCTION
    Many patients report neuropsychiatric symptoms after SARS-CoV-2 infection. Data on prevalence of post-COVID-19 condition (PCC) vary due to the lack of specific diagnostic criteria, the report of unspecific symptoms, and reliable biomarkers.

    METHODS
    PCC patients seen in a neurological outpatient department were followed for up to 18 months. Neurological examination, SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, Epstein–Barr virus antibodies, and cortisol levels as possible biomarkers, questionnaires to evaluate neuropsychiatric symptoms and somatization (Patient Health Questionnaires D [PHQ-D]), cognition deficits (Montreal Cognitive Assessment [MoCA]), sleep disorders (ISS, Epworth Sleepiness Scale [ESS]), and fatigue (FSS) were included.

    RESULTS
    A total of 175 consecutive patients (78% females, median age 42 years) were seen between May 2021 and February 2023. Fatigue, subjective stress intolerance, and subjective cognitive deficits were the most common symptoms. Specific scores were positive for fatigue, insomnia, and sleepiness and were present in 95%, 62.1%, and 44.0%, respectively. Cognitive deficits were found in 2.3%. Signs of somatization were identified in 61%, who also had an average of two symptoms more than patients without somatization. Overall, 28% had a psychiatric disorder, including depression and anxiety. At the second visit (n = 92), fatigue (67.3%) and insomnia (45.5%) had decreased. At visit three (n = 43), symptom load had decreased in 76.8%; overall, 51.2% of patients were symptom-free. Biomarker testing did not confirm an anti-EBV response. SARS-CoV-2-specific immune reactions increased over time, and cortisol levels were within the physiological range.

    CONCLUSIONS
    Despite high initial symptom load, 76.8% improved over time. The prevalence of somatization and psychiatric disorders was high. Our data do not confirm the role of previously suggested biomarkers in PCC patients.

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    Despite the main focus on psychosomatisation and FND, this paper has some useful data.

    Viral persistence is one of the candidate mechanisms, with data pro and against. I don't think having high IgG necessarily means viral components are all being cleared.
     
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    But then there's the usual claptrap —

    Right. Fluctuating symptoms are not seen in any other organic neurological disease such as — oh I don't know, MS?? MS, a demyelinating disease which is famously characterised to have "symptoms varying spatially and temporally".

    Time for the :banghead: emoji.

    Concluding —

    Last time I looked no-one was properly managing this disease, least of all the psychosomagicians. As evidenced by the official statistics of 17m in the US and 2m in the UK.
     
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    (Also FYI @dave30th for the line: "The main challenge in diagnosing symptoms as functional rests in the low yield of positive features." I thought we'd all established it was a diagnosis made on positive rule-in signs. Huh, I guess not.)
     
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    Number of patients
    First visit 175
    Second visit 92
    Third visit 43

    How can they conclude anything about recovery rates when only a quarter of the sample are included?
     
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    Especially if you consider the iller some one is the less likely they are to continue in the study. Without clear evidence (sorry haven’t checked the actual paper) on why people dropped out, the loss of 75% of the sample renders the final assessments meaningless.
     
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    An impressive display of the extreme biases needed to promote psychosomatic ideology. The drop-out rate for follow-up (75%) alone that they use to conclude a 78% spontaneous recovery would be impressive in itself, but the fact that they define 'somatization' as having symptoms and seeking medical care is just all icing and no cake. They even feature the "it was covered in the press therefore nocebo" by circular reasoning, in that they are saying that because other people have said that before. No evidence needed.

    And, yeah, they did define 'somatization' explicitly as absence of evidence from standard tests:
    What is 'somatization status' you might ask? No idea, it's just something they're winging I guess. But this indicates that they simply use PHQ-D, which mostly overlaps with the very kind of illness they are pretending to study:
    So in a study where they assess a medical condition known for a wide range of symptoms with no obvious pathophysiology, they assume that those much be 'somatization' since they... can't find obvious pathophysiology. Holy circular reasoning, Batman. And they use a depression questionnaire, but conclude that it's somatization. Which I guess means they believe that depression is somatization. Who knows?

    They can mention 'standardized' and 'well-validated' questionnaires all they want, it means nothing. They all feature overlapping questions and explicitly ask questions that psychologize the very kind of illness they are researching. Those questionnaires are just as 'validated' and 'standardized' as Meyers-Briggs was when it was considered valid and widely used. They can even talk about depression and anxiety being psychiatric disorders, obviously they aren't that on their own, and again there's the overlapping questions anyway that makes this all ridiculous. The entire concept makes no sense here, it's just ridiculous.

    They even feature the assertion that this must be the conversion disorder / functional whatever, but that even though it lacks the fake 'rule-in' signs for FND, it still must be that because, possibly, nocebo. Again no evidence needed, this is basically someone said because someone said because someone said.

    Impressive twist in shifting PEM to stress intolerance, showing how stress is perfectly equivalent to exertion in almost all cases where it's used. An extremely biased choice that makes no sense outside of working with pre-achieved conclusions and given how much PEM has featured in LC data.

    Just straight up bizarre:
    Conversion disorder explicitly defined on absence of evidence for known diagnoses and using a depression questionnaire with overlapping questions leads to conclusions of pandemic-related stress and anxiety. Pulled straight out of a donkey.

    Actually things are even worse than that on drop-outs, they only have any follow-up data for 92, but of those only 55 filled in the questionnaires, so most of the data is literally missing:
    And it continues further still, they actually only have full data sets for 21/175:
    So they only have full data for 12% of participants.

    So an absolute joke of a 'study'. Which is typical in psychosomatic ideology, a concept that obviously exists in extreme bias. They aren't hiding it much either:
    This is major crisis level of bias and regression. None of this is normal for any group of professionals, but it has become 'standardized' and 'well-validated' in health care. Completely absurd.
     
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    A 75% drop-out rate on its own renders this study invalid.

    psychosomagicians

    :D
     
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