Review (Hungary) Interdisciplinary consensus statement about the diagnosis and treatment of [CFS]/myalgic encephalomyelopathy, 2025, Simonyi et al

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Some of the message might be getting lost in the translation, but this part seems to say they were the ones that misinterpreted the NICE guidelines, not that their paper was misinterpreted. So pretty close to "we were wrong":

I guess that can come out as some defense, but it's very hard to misinterpret things this much. The language in the guideline is clear enough, so it's really unconvincing either way. Paraphrasing here, but there's exactly zero way to misinterpret "do not offer treatment programs based on exercise" and pretend like it means it's recommended.

It's just so damn annoying to have this whole Dr Magoo BS where they pretend to be confused because they held their map upside down when the whole profession is so damn sticky about the entire "we don't make mistakes and we know everything about everything and that's why when we say we don't know what's wrong with you, what it really means is that there can't be anything wrong with you, ever".

And then we come along, check their work, and it's filled with literally all the possible types of mistakes, all the way to ignoring almost all the facts, ignoring everything that's been debunked, pretending that things that have been said and used for decade are spanking new, and basically using logical fallacies as if they're actual solid arguments.

Worst claims of omnipotent power ever.

 

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David Tuller was very kind to cover this story about how they misrepresented what the NICE guideline says on the Virology blog:

Trial By Error: Hungarian Experts Make Goulash out of NICE Guidelines | Virology Blog

By David Tuller, DrPH In April, the Hungarian journal Orvosi Hetilap published an article called “Interdisciplinary consensus statement about the diagnosis ...

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"Remarkably, the authors managed to mangle the core findings of the 2021 guidelines for ME/CFS from the UK’s National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE).. These guidelines rescinded NICE’s previous recommendations for graded exercise therapy (GET) and cognitive behavior therapy (CBT) as potentially curative treatments. In contrast, the Hungarian consensus statement endorsed both approaches."