Investigating causality in the association between vitamin D status and self-reported tiredness, 2019, Havdahl et al

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  1. Andy

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    All of authors are from University of Bristol and include Crawley's mate, George Davey Smith. ME gets mentioned a number of times.
    Open access at https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-39359-z

    Starting to build a narrative that our fatigue isn't anything out of the ordinary?
     
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    WillowJ Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Hasn't the BPS crew been saying this a while now?
     
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  3. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

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    everyone gets fatigue - gosh what a surprise :banghead::banghead:
     
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    "Self-reported tiredness".

    Whenever I see "self-reported", I think insurance speak.

    As for self-reported tiredness, I am not familiar with any other kind.
     
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    " substantial current fatigue on the widely used self-rated Chalder fatigue questionnaire"

    Widely used by whom?
     
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    His history with Crawley/PACE means that I don't trust Davey-Smith to do any work in this area, but that abstract looked okay aside from the Chalder fatigue scale, which is probably what was just included with the data.

    I hadn't seen people claiming that low vitamin D was a common cause of fatigue though, and any recommendations I'd seen about vitamin D and CFS were about the danger of CFS leading to low vitamin D when people are largely housebound.
     
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    I seem to recall, about 10 or so years ago, a map was put out there that compared MS and Vitamin D deficiency prevalence throughout the world with CFS and Vitamin D deficiency prevalence.

    That was a long time ago, so perhaps I am mis-remembering.

    If they are beginning to promote the idea that ME/CFS symptoms, piecemeal and irrespective of severity, are "normally" distributed throughout the population, I'd observe they are not the first to this dance (albeit with a different disease); it is concerning nonetheless.
     
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  8. Andy

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    Chalder, she rates it highly.. ;)
     
  9. Wonko

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    So she's very, very tired of it?

    So self reported means people are lying malingering gits , but self rated means they aren't?
     

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