Ken Ware - Neurophysics therapy

[unicorn7]

Thanks, @unicorn7 for the video. I can't tell from it whether it is the person or the machine causing the shaking. Can you clarify whether a machine is needed, or whether you need to be someone who shakes like this spontaneously when you try to move, or is it something people are trained to do as a deliberate exercise?

No, it's the person that is shaking. You take the little tremor you get when something is heavy and you allow that to get bigger. Mostly by relaxing parts of your body. it takes so much tension out of all parts and muscles of your body, it's really nice. Looks a bit weird though You do it on the machines, partly because you start with the exercises, loose power or feel pain, solve that, and go on with the same exercise. It's also nice to do it in some machines, because they give you pressure in different places, so the effect of loosening your muscles with the tremor is better in some positions than others. I have elastics to do it at home.
They teach you in the 4 weeks to do it properly. I would have had no idea how to do this in the way I do it now.
I did some TRE style tremors before I went there, but it is in nothing comparable.

I did like the little tremors you do with TRE, but that's just the beginning. You specifically target all different parts of your body and target specific spots that are painful, or weak of stiff etc. And then put them to use! And I think that makes it work. Not just doing the tremors, that's just a way to gain movement or strength back momentarily.

 

[unicorn7]

This reminds me of something I got from a private physio (after I saw a private knee surgeon who suggested rehab before doing the suggested surgery) for an injury I have had to my left knee from kickboxing as a teenager. The initial physio was all about switching muscles on and off and having control, I couldn't fire my left glute muscle and a bunch of leg muscles properly and learning to just flex them and then basic strengthening them was a big improvement. The second stage was all based on range of motion, by rolling the joint through its maximum pain free range I could find repetitions and gradually rebuild up control of the muscle structures together for precise movement. Its sort of the polar opposite approach to shaking but I think they try to achieve the same goal, moving the joints and muscles through their range of motion to train the nervous system to control the muscles better. Starting initially almost entirely unloaded and moving up to doing so under some stress and going from really slow too athletic speeds. Anecdotally for me it worked well, considering the NHS in trying to fix this put me in a wheelchair for 5 months I would say it worked a lot better than the nonsense exercises the NHS had me do anyway! Its based on a particular youtuber/trainer who produces a bunch of videos on this but I am drawing an utterly blank right now on the channel name and I can't find it but I'll be back once my brain fogged brain chews it over and spits out an answer.

It sounds like the same concepts. The tremors are for getting your range of motion back and the exercises in the proper posture are for getting the right muscles to fire. Simply said. My whole body was so messed up, there was pretty much no part of my body moving normally. I can now feel my upper back doing something, that's a big patch of muscle. Instead I used the smaller muscles of neck and hands, which are not made for that. I think personally a lot of symptoms like nausea and dizziness where neck related with me.

I have used these concepts when I was still working and training horses, but this was the same concepts, but another level of tools and knowledge. Everything with an input on the muscles (massage, myofascial release etc) don't work for me as they cause PEM, plus they take a lot of work and work mostly local, while tremors are full body, you can do them yourself and they don't trigger PEM for me. Which is super weird, because it's pretty intensive. I was mild, but the people I know that are moderate or even going towards severe, could do it. I don't know why this is possible.

 

[Arfmeister]

Everything with an input on the muscles (massage, myofascial release etc) don't work for me as they cause PEM, plus they take a lot of work and work mostly local, while tremors are full body, you can do them yourself and they don't trigger PEM for me. Which is super weird, because it's pretty intensive. I was mild, but the people I know that are moderate or even going towards severe, could do it. I don't know why this is possible.

hi @unicorn7 How are you now?
Wanted to ask you some questions but I don’t know if you’re still active here