L.P. reported mentioned in parliament in May?

JemPD

Senior Member (Voting Rights)
Just wanting to query the facts in this post from MEA fb 'visitor's posts - i wasnt aware of LP being mentioned in parliament since the January debate... does anyone know anything about the veracity of this?



I'd like to support Jo & point out that regardless of whether it was "reported in parliament' - which i doubt, an unblinded study with subjective endpoints & huge ethical problems doesnt 'prove' anything, but i not up to getting into it on fb. I'd love to check hansard for that day but i'm not up to it.
 
Ah ok thanks for that Chris.

I wish i could let Jo know that what was said in parliament was actually .... (my bolding - highlighting the doubt expressed) if only for her own sake when in discussion with her friend.

Source: UK House of Lords

Date: June 5, 2019

URL:
https://www.parliament.uk/business/...ts/written-question/Lords/2019-05-21/HL15894/

Ref: http://www.me-net.combidom.com/meweb/web1.4.htm#westminster

[Written Answers]

Medical Treatments: Children
----------------------------

The Countess of Mar

To ask Her Majesty's Government what processes are in place to safeguard children with chronic fatigue syndrome and other disorders whose parents have enrolled them on Lightning Process courses; and what evaluation has been undertaken of the (1) benefits, and (2) harms, to those children who have participated in such courses. [HL15894]

Baroness Blackwood of North Oxford

The Lightning Process (LP) is not offered as a part of the chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis (CFS/ME) standard treatments on the National Health Service. Subject to the nature of the safeguarding concerns, issues should be directed to the relevant professional regulator, should the practitioner be a member of a registered profession; the local authority (trading standards office or children's service), if false claims are being made about the effectiveness of the treatment or welfare of a child is a concern; or the police, if a crime is involved.

The LP involves a course of three half-days of training aiming to teach participants how to use their brain to improve their body's health.

A randomised controlled trial with 100 adolescents aged 12-18 was undertaken by researchers in Bristol. Participants were randomised into two groups: those who received standard CFS/ME treatment and those who received the standard treatment plus the LP.

Researchers found those who received the LP had better physical function, were less tired and less anxious after six months. At 12 months, they had further improvement in physical function, and improved depression scores and school attendance. This research trial had several limitations as set out in the peer reviewed journal article. This was a very small trial and so it would need to be repeated in a much larger group to demonstrate more generalisable findings. Participants were not blinded so their self-reported outcomes might have been biased, for example participants may have been more likely to report positive outcomes because they knew they were getting additional therapy in the LP group. Of all those eligible to participate in the trial, fewer than 30% agreed to take part. Participants in the trial did not have any serious adverse events attributable to either LP or usual care. LP therapy was given in addition to the usual CFS/ME care as a no-treatment control group was not deemed ethical, therefore it cannot be suggested as a replacement for current specialised medical care.

Independent ethical review ensures that participant safety is at the centre of all research. In the United Kingdom, review by an ethics committee is one of a series of safeguards intended to protect the people taking part in the research. The operating procedure for trials in the UK has inbuilt safeguards designed to protect patients from harm in the event an intervention is ineffective or potentially harmful.

Participants are free to withdraw from a study at any time.

Anyone who feels up to it & wants to, pls do let her know, or i guess even posting a link to this & the thread Chris links to abve might be helpful.
 
This proves exactly why @dave30th work on challenging this ridiculous study is so important
. Where proponents of LP are even prepared to use the fact that LP was mentioned in a PQ to try to justify it despite the PQ actually flagging issues with the study. Tthe person probably didn’t even read the PQ just picked up the LP line to take on it no doubt put out by Parker & co. His followers unable to see past the psychological blinkers they’ve been subjected to.
 
Ah ok thanks for that Chris.

I wish i could let Jo know that what was said in parliament was actually .... (my bolding - highlighting the doubt expressed) if only for her own sake when in discussion with her friend.



Anyone who feels up to it & wants to, pls do let her know, or i guess even posting a link to this & the thread Chris links to abve might be helpful.
you or someone might also like to point out that Crawley herself said that there was no evidence that the course(LP) would work or that it was not harmful if undertaken on its own.

see this post
https://www.s4me.info/threads/trial...is-“effective”-really.9586/page-3#post-174737
 
you or someone might also like to point out that Crawley herself said that there was no evidence that the course(LP) would work or that it was not harmful if undertaken on its own.

see this post
https://www.s4me.info/threads/trial-by-error-the-lightning-process-is-“effective”-really.9586/page-3#post-174737
But it would never be integrated into medical care, being obvious quackery and all, so basically it's "effective", whatever that means, except it can't ever be used properly, but it's still recommended.

This is also an issue with PACE, where there was supposedly this "super training", very expensive and extensive on the therapists, though it's unclear what since there is literally nothing special there, that could never be replicated on the scale of the problem. So PACE-style "treatment" is also "effective" but impossible to implement.

Yet it is still recommended in official policy. So I don't think that's a problem for the likes of Crawley, just a way to preempt inevitable legal issues where they could say they warned about it despite having promoted it in a way that could not reasonably take those limitations into account. The idea seems to be it would be unofficially recommended but not actually prescribed, with zero accountability.

So basically talking out of both ends to cover all grounds, but in practice only the back-end carries weight.
 
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