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For some reason proponents of psychobehavioral models of Long Covid Lemogne and Ranque are participating in a Long Covid conference in Paris. Protesters have shown in person and in the online portion of the event. According to the poster, the conference was organized by Lemogne and Ranque using EU funds.

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Protesters have been evicted by force:


Ranque has been previously recorded making disparaging comments about LC to (I think) a GP conference, and online event participants posted the links, leading to staffers scrambling to censor them:

Sick times article + Interview https://thesicktimes.org/2026/05/05...biological-research-at-a-conference-in-paris/
 
We are being accused of violence, even though our action was strictly peaceful, as the images clearly show. This is a clear inversion of responsibility.
Very true. The power imbalance is especially wild. If proponents of psychobehavioral models had done the same thing at a medical science conference, for whatever reason they might have felt, then had been physically handled this way, they would have framed it as violent expulsion and infringement of their rights, it would have led to howls of outrage from other physicians, with accusations of censorship and so on.

The very worst anecdote they can come up with the other way was someone voluntarily agreeing to leave and throwing a cup. Presumably, there is no evidence of that. The imbalance of violence, especially the systemic violence of this model, is total.

And it was filmed. There is video evidence of what happened here. It lasted less than 5 minutes, doesn't take hours to analyze. There is no such evidence of incidents like the alleged cup throwing. And it doesn't matter. It's truly wild how even with experts the exact same dynamics as we see with the QAnon communities are at play. Reality doesn't count. Truth doesn't matter. Evidence is fabricated and cherry-picked. It's the exact same dynamics!
We must also forge alliances with other movements (anti-ableism and anti-psychiatry, anti-racism, feminism, LGBTQIA+, environmentalism, etc.) because everything is interconnected.
This is doomed generally, there is no such allyship, but especially with anti-psychiatry not being relevant here. I think psychiatry can be good. It's bad here. It's never a criticism of who they are, it's of what they do and their excesses. Ideally psychiatry would be a force for good, and not a cause of harm, but that's not the case. This isn't about being against psychiatry, it's about making it do what it should be doing, which it clearly isn't, and the reasons for this are pretty much found in this nexus where chronic illness exists.

They must be granted every privilege, and we must be stripped of every right. This is everything health care should stand against. And yet it's all behind it.
 
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Who is the woman in the blue blazer (brown hair, jeans) who appears to be physically pushing the other protester (out of shot most of the time)?
Could she be one of the women on this page maybe?

 
Learned a new insult from posts replying to Winslow in X. 'Bidet scum'.

Winslow also posted the link above related to the woman with enthusiastically pushed a protester around.

There are a couple of women there with longish brown hair but one in particular stands out.

Also the blond woman who turns around to talk to her (seated) may also have a resemblance to someone from the same group in Norway.
 
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@MaudSac, well done to you and the VoxEM team for helping to make ME/CFS visible.

If you make a post with the contact details on the thread listing charities, we can add VoxEM to our list.

I was waiting for the official launch of the voxEM website to officially introduce the collective. It’s finally here!
For those who read French, the website is available at https://voxem.fr/
 
Here is one of the attendees at the conference claiming to have been scared


This is the same person in the video who turns around with a smile and looks like she is amused.
These people should look at the history of resistance movements and feel incredibly grateful that people with MECFS are so steadfastly non violent in their opposition to the immense harm that is being done to them.

Disrupting a conference full of people saying you are not really sick is not abuse, terrorism or Nazism or anything these pathetic fantasists want to claim it is. It is a benign kind of non violent direct action. Nobody was hurt. The activists were the ones assaulted when conference members pushed them.

People with MECFS have never harmed or attempted to harm any BPS researcher after all the disgusting things they have done to us and said about us. Instead of painting us as dangerous they should reflect on how entirely peaceful we are and feel very grateful for that.
 
Here is one of the attendees at the conference claiming to have been scared


This is the same person in the video who turns around with a smile and looks like she is amused.
The man with cane and mouthband completed his appeal and was shown away.
There is video, we can hear the audio of him asking them to stop physically handling him, and they still lie about it. They are clearly only annoyed by the interruption and never felt threatened in any way.
I was scared. I don't know the situation in France and didn't know what the campaigners in the audience would do. They sat with big bags and masks.
They had "big bags and masks". Good grief do they even hear themselves talk? Their hubris is off the charts. They want to affect the lives of millions without ever hearing about how it actually affects them. They are in a completely insulated ideological bubble.
“I heard that there were still two activists in the audience who had taken off their masks, so we couldn’t see who they were. It was quite demanding to hold a 40 minute lecture, while at the same time I was on full readiness and tried to see everything that happened among the audience, she says.
Honestly, reading this nonsense gives more insight into their psychology than anything else has done. Either they are lying, most likely, or they have deep traumatic fear of imaginary threats. Absolutely ridiculous to print this seriously.
The conference was followed at Teams by scientists across Europe. The activists managed to hack into the broadcast, muted the researchers' microphones and drowned the discussions with hostile messages, according to L'Express.
"Freedom of expression is under threat", say the people who exclude those most affected by their work to have a say. Most of the messages I have seen were about being ignored and abandoned.
This is very serious. It is unacceptable that research is hindered by various groups.
"This is medicine, we can't be bothered with hearing from patients and other various groups!"
 
The conference was followed at Teams by scientists across Europe. The activists managed to hack into the broadcast, muted the researchers' microphones and drowned the discussions with hostile messages, according to L'Express.
Apparently none at L’Express or the conference used Teams during lockdown. If you don’t set it up to limit what participants can do, anyone can mute anyone. There is no «hacking» here. They just got the access link, and participated normally.
 
Do you have the timestamp and link? The blonde at the front doesn’t turn around in the sick times video.
I didn't realise that there were different videos of what happened and some taken from another angle. This one is from Youtube Winslow Sante Publique. Around 5-7 seconds in. The blond woman can be seen turning around in this one.

Let me know if you can't see the video or that part of the video

We get a much better picture of how the woman in the white Tshirt was being (wo)man handled as well.

 
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Around 5-7 seconds in. The blond woman can be seen turning around in this one.
Thank you. To play the devil’s advocate, she turned around before he started speaking and you could hear people groaning. But from the sick times video she doesn’t look scared or agitated, she just sits there normally.
We get a much better picture of how the woman in the white Tshirt was being (wo)man handled as well.
I doubt the handling was illegal. It was a private space, and most places allow people to remove protesters using reasonable force, even though it’s not recommended because it often escalates and you risk being charged with assault etc.

But it sure was a bad move. They should have just cut the sound.
 
Here is one of the attendees at the conference claiming to have been scared


This is the same person in the video who turns around with a smile and looks like she is amused.
The article translated includes the following:

The conference on 23 April was the conclusion of a four-year research project on long COVID, funded by the EU with NOK 85 million.

The project has primarily focused on possible biological mechanisms behind long COVID, according to one of the organizers, Helena Liira from Helsinki University Hospital.

"85 percent of our project was biomedical investigations. That was our first hypothesis, but we found little or nothing," Liira told the French weekly L'Express.

How accurate is that claim of 85% 'biomedical investigations' and 'that was our first hypothesis' [I assume for the funding of NOK 85 million] ?

DO we have access to the application and what type of investigations and hypotheses there were to see what they count as that?


I mean they don't even test their 'theory-based theories' at all or nearly as properly before claiming 'we tried this, but nope decided it wasn't so here's our storytelling that we are claiming it is instead purely on the basis of claims we found a null 'for all biomedical'' so its sophism of course to distract - but pfffwwh
 
The article translated includes the following:



How accurate is that claim of 85% 'biomedical investigations' and 'that was our first hypothesis' [I assume for the funding of NOK 85 million] ?

DO we have access to the application and what type of investigations and hypotheses there were to see what they count as that?


I mean they don't even test their 'theory-based theories' at all or nearly as properly before claiming 'we tried this, but nope decided it wasn't so here's our storytelling that we are claiming it is instead purely on the basis of claims we found a null 'for all biomedical'' so its sophism of course to distract - but pfffwwh
Oh wow, later on in the article there is another claim based on this same [I assume co-ordinated] delusion/misdirection that if you test a few things you call bio then you can claim the bio model is dead:

"The biomedical model – one disease, one cause, one treatment – is very effective in some diseases. That's why it's so popular with both patients and doctors." said organizer and professor Cédric Lemogne, who is a psychiatrist at the Hôtel-Dieu hospital in Paris. "The approach we recommend is not as appealing, But it is the only one that has shown results to date."

I personally think the gall of daring to say that last line of 'it is the only one that has shown results to date' is to me getting into plain fraud/misleading territory. They might have spent decades trying to jimmy and gerrymander something to justify carrying on 'doing more to keep trying to find something' whilst they sucked up nearly all money for the same iterations of the same things with only the robustness of their methods shrinking being the change but they know that's not results.
 
"This is very serious. It is unacceptable that research is hindered by different groups.

We follow up and take care of our employees after such incidents," says Bjørn Lau, head of the Department of Psychology at the University of Oslo. He is Reme's closest boss.

I wonder if this Bjorn Lau is part of the same or unaware of the behaviour engaged in by bps over the years ?
 
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