Occupational Aspects of the Management of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: a National Guideline, 2006

Esther12 said:
@Suffolkres - it looked like you were chasing them up about their out of date guidelines... did you ever get anywhere with them?
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I am still on the case but it's hard going! I did alert NICE to the "anomalies" both in January and the May Scoping meeting.
Trouble is, I can get no one with "authority" to take this forward for me. I have tried MEA and Forward ME....... Might contact Neil Ridley MEA who did a brilliant campaign in 2006-2007?
 
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Suffolkres said:
I am still on the case but it's hard going! I did alert NICE to the "anomalies" both in January and the May Scoping meeting.
Trouble is, i can no one with "authority" to take this forward for me. I have tried MEA and Forward ME....... Might contact Neil Ridley MEA who did a brilliant campaign in 2006-2007?
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Thanks for the update, and for all your work. I expect that the NHS Health Network people are going to want to do what they can to ignore these problems for as long as they can.
 
NelliePledge said:
I would think this should be very high up the priority list for tackling
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Neil Riley MEA did a splendid job on this many moons ago in 2006 .... when eveyone else was focusing on NICE pre 2007.... and his letter helped get Dr Ira Madan to come before the APPG.
Maybe the APPG can pick this up once again,?......because this guideline was due for review I think in 2013 2014 but they didn't bother to do it.... so it's "past it's sell by date" .
I will get HB in Scotland to draw this to attention of Carol Monaghan.

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Edit Review date in Document 2011 so 10 years past it's sell by date!
 
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Suffolkres said:
Neil Riley MEA did a splendid job on this many moons ago in 2006 .... when eveyone else was focusing on NICE pre 2007.... and his letter helped get Dr Ira Madan to come before the APPG.
Maybe the APPG can pick this up once again,?......because this guideline was due for review I rhing in 2013 2014 but they didn't bother to do it.... so it's "past it's sell by date" .
I will get HB in Scotland to draw this to attention of Carol Monaghan.

https://www.nhshealthatwork.co.uk/health-work-wellbeing.asp
The Government's Work and Health Unit

We are dedicated to maintaining a healthy, motivated workforce

health-wellbeing.jpg

The Work and Health Unit works to improve the health and employment outcomes for disabled people and those with health conditions.

The Work and Health Unit is a cross-government unit, jointly sponsored by the Department for Work and Pensions and the Department of Health and Social Care. It works across government and the wider public sector to develop solutions that benefit disabled people and those who support them.

Following a consultation, the Work and Health Unit published Improving lives: the future of work, health and disability. This paper sets out how the government will make and influence changes across the welfare system, the workplace and health services to see one million more disabled people in work by 2027.
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Maybe worth contacting him to see if he’s got it on his radar again
 
FYI , don't wish to bore you all with my personal hobby horse and history to my efforts to GET ( excuse the pun) .....t his taken down....since 2005!!!

Mark Baker at the Scope meeting said NICE had no jurisdiction over FOM (or NHS Health & Work) - true as FOM they are a charity! ( see below in red)

I wrote to Forward ME in 2018; (but they couldn't proritise this at the time. "We discussed NHS Health at Work at our last Forward-ME meeting and decided that, as it was so old, there was little point in taking it up as an issue.")


I had written the following as it was a HUGE issue for me, and felt it was critical to the outcome of the NICE Review;

'Thank you for the reply,
The two issues are linked, MUS /IAPT and NHS (Plus) Health at Work, as Dr Madan did a MUS lecture last year for FOM annual lecture and as the FOM “expert” on CFS, will no doubt carry this message across to NHS Health At Work Guidance review (which NICE review of ME references and suggests it will align with)!
I anticipate this will be MUS "by the back door”, but it will sit along side the IAPT CCG programme in a rather neat, consistent, coherent package……….so convenient for the DWP employers, and liaison psychiatry!
I will take the Surveillance statement from July to the NICE Scoping event in May (if they let me in!!) and see if i can tease out what is going on ahead of the FOM International Annual Conference (with the great and good) in June…..
I will approach Jo Edwards to see if he could go to this conference and petition Dame Carol Black, (Dame Carol Black. Expert Adviser on Health and Work. Public Health Policy Directorate) , as (rheumatologist to rheumatologist!), at least to see where the new guidance is likely to go and importantly, when!"



My previous email in March 2018:

"When the ME Community’s eyes were firmly caste on NICE Guideline Development during 2006, I espied this and decided it needed someone to focus on it.

I handed the info to Neil Ridley who kindly took the issue forward and it ended with the APPG after DesTurner was persuaded of the importance of a challenge to NHS Plus head of Service Dr Madan (whom is still the Parliamentary OH doctor)- you may wish to engage with her there…….?
I have all emails and correspond pertaining to this her still.

Critical importance( Health Work and PHI):
I can further explain the current potential significance of this later as a mini briefing which may help you? (i.e. history of the Guidance- how I came about, how it developed and what has happened since 2006-2008).
I have had a need to revisit this because I am involved with helping a friend who is providing DT with her definite evidence (2004-2009) about the conflict of Interest issue re the Insurance /PHI troubles for ME patients, NICE 2007 and NHS Plus Guidance 2006 cited in her paperwork by Scottish Provident (SP) CMO (Prof PW) at the time.

Her case was finally successfully resolved when she enlisted Royd’s James Miller Craig to act for her- SP threw in the towel at that point.
They knew it would potentially cost them more to fight than to pay out!
James Miller Craig was called by ME to a select committee hearing on these issues I think.
James is Partner at Royds Withy King. This arose from the successful merger in September 2016 of Royds and Withy King. The enlarged firm has offices in London, Bath, Oxford and Swindon.
He specialises in Personal Injury & Insurance related disputes as well as some General Dispute Resolution work.
He is recognised as an expert over a number of years including by the ME Association & Action for ME charities in respect of his work in relation to Permanent Health Insurance ( PHI ) policy disputes

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2003/aug/16/jobsandmoney.healthinsurance

"James Millar Craig, of London solicitors Royds RDW, who specialises in PHI claims, welcomes the decision. "We are constantly coming across insurers attempting to wheedle out of liability under group schemes and the guidance the Court of Appeal has given may make employees' claims easier to pursue".

Lord Justice Sedley pointed out that Swiss Life's consultant had failed to identify any job Mr Jowitt actually could do. As the Court of Appeal had no up-to-date information about his condition it could not finally decide that question and sent it back to a tribunal for consideration.
People who have claims refused by employers or insurers should not regard that as the last word on the matter. Often it is only the threat of legal action that results in what is actually quite a clear legal liability being honoured.”

This was behind the PHI issue……..
http://www.nhshealthatwork.co.uk/images/library/files/Clinical excellence/CFS_full_guideline.pdf (2006)

Leaflets- 2008.
This guidance’ referenced at “law” by PW as CMO of SP/SR is still accessed by all NHS Occupational Health Departments!!!!

I have just rung my local hospital ( March 2018) to check it out.

It needs to be reviewed /withdrawn!

http://www.nhshealthatwork.co.uk/images/library/files/Clinical excellence/CFS_full_guideline.pdf (2006)

Leaflets- 2008.

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NelliePledge said:
Maybe worth contacting him to see if he’s got it on his radar again
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Now NICE is published, patients, the wider public and medical profession need to have an up to date consistent, unconfused and unambiguous line of advice, and include sets of directions/ statements about the NICE Guidance for ME and CFS consistent with NG206.
This approach MUST be reflected across all NHS websites, or any linked to NHS partner providers, e.g. in charities, non governmental bodies or arms length organisations of private sector and Communities Interest Group Service Providers ?

Request from LOcalME;

As the charities are discovering, confusion and contrary statements and approaches prevail on these vital websites.
I believe this is in hand on the ‘to do’ list.

1. Firstly can we request that all guidance documents which are contrary to NICE, or should have been reviewed years ago and were not, ideally be instructed to be taken down?
2. Failing that a CLEAR WARNING OF HARMS Flag on website to the effect the guidance is inconsistent with NICE NG206 and may contain views that constitute harms?

regards,

B


The following is 10 years outside its review date.
There has been no oversight or monitoring of it since 2013.
It needs taking down and the leaflets withdrawn as as well as harms it causing terrible consequences for ill health related work situations and for benefit claims and personal PHI claims. ( often attached to mortgages). It’s pernicious effects are still being experienced as it still is accessed and used by local Foundation Trust Staff.- I have checked recently.

(I have the full audit trail of this from 2005-2006 available electronically as reference.)


Specific site of concern

https://www.nhshealthatwork.co.uk/health-work-wellbeing.asp
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Occupational Aspects of the Management of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: a National Guideline, 2006
The 2006 guidelines are still live on the NHS website.

I expect that the NHS Health Network people are going to want to do what they can to ignore these problems for as long as they can.
Maybe the APPG can pick this up once again?

Justification

1. Because this guideline was due for review I think in 2011, and ‘project” was need 2013 2014, they didn't bother to do it.... so it's "past it's sell by date” . Please draw this to attention of APPG charities and Carol Monaghan.
3. inconsistency with NICE NG206 and may contain views that constitute harms.

Question from LocalMe

Have you checked as a matter of interest were the Faculty of Occupational Medicine stakeholders and did they submit comments? - (Yes they were and did comment, see below)

Faculty of Occupational Medicine was listed - https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng206/documents/stakeholder-list-2

Faculty of Occupational Medicine Guideline 027 -28 Section1.11.6

We do not agree with this statement: Advise people with ME/CFS to reduce their activity if increasing it triggers symptoms, or if they have fluctuations in their daily energy levels.
Thank you for your comment.
A fter considering the stakeholder comments this has been edited to,’ Advise people with ME/CFS how to manage flare-ups and When returning to work it is important that health care professionals give reassurance that an increase in symptoms on return to work is unlikely to mean harm in most people.Reference: Waddell G, Burton AK. Concepts of rehabilitation for the management of common health problems: The Stationery Office; 2004.relapses (see the section on managing flare-ups in symptoms and relapse).’Faculty of Occupational MedicineGuideline021Section 1.9.1
We are concerned that this recommendation may increase fear avoidance beliefs about returning to work.
We would prefer NICE to give ME/ CFS sufferers the following guidance:
•Work is generally good for health.
•Work provides purpose, boosts self-esteem and enables financial independence.
•Worklessness is associated with poor physical and mental health and increased risk of self-harm
•Ask the person what they believe are the main factors impeding their return to work.
•Ask them if they can identify solutions to their return to work obstacles
•Do they need adjustments to their work to enable them to return (e.g. flexible hours/ working from home/special equipment)?
•Encourage them to liaise with their employer to see if the adjustments could be facilitated •If they need assistance with paying for any adjustments, they or their employer may be eligible for financial assistance from Access to Work (https://www.gov.uk/access-to-work)
Thank you for your comment and information. After considering the range of stakeholder comments the recommendations in this section have been reordered starting with accessing support. ‘ and discuss with’ has been added to the recommendation.
The discussion points you have raised have been summarised and added to the committee discussion in evidence review A.
Ask if they have access to occupational health advice via their work; if they do encourage them to make contact with their occupational health department
References •Black C. Working for a healthier tomorrow. Dame Carol Black's Review of the health of Britain's working age population. Norwich UK: TSO (The Stationary Office); 2008.•Health matters: health and work. PHE, 2019
 
I think we ought to get some mileage out of this opportunity and point out the NEW NICE NG206.......?

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