Oslo Chronic Fatigue Network

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic news - ME/CFS and Long Covid' started by Sly Saint, Sep 8, 2024.

  1. MittEremltage

    MittEremltage Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I defenetly agree!
     
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    MittEremltage Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The past few weeks following the Stockholm region's meeting regarding care for ME patients have been turbulent.

    I have had significant difficulties obtaining documents related to the meeting. The region claims, for example, that no minutes were taken.
    Link to blog:
    https://mitteremitage-wordpress-com...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=sv&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    I have also tried to learn more about the collaboration with the health center where Lindsäter works. I have attempted to obtain a contract and decision regarding the additional assignment they claim to have. However, it turns out that there is no contract.
    Link to blog:
    https://mitteremitage-wordpress-com..._sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=sv&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    After being passed around the region for several weeks, I was suddenly contacted by the manager of the health center again. She informs me that they have declined the assignment.
    Link to blog:
    https://mitteremitage-wordpress-com..._sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=sv&_x_tr_pto=wapp
     
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    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    So the BPS lobby preemptively claimed that they had gotten a formal assignment with regards to ME/CFS, but all they had was a proposal from themselves? And they ended up pulling out of it on their own?

    I’m not up to speed on the roles, so I might have gotten things wrong?
     
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    MittEremltage Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    About that. But I don't know what happened behind the scenes before the operations manager emailed and said that she was withdrawing the additional assignment. Whether it was voluntary or not. I have more questions now than when I started looking for information two weeks ago.
     
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    You are doing a brilliant job of documenting all this, @MittEremltage.

    Perhaps I should stop being shocked by the unscientific and harmful actions of this group. It is after all just a continuation of 35 years gaslighting sick people. It's very distressing to hear it's still going on, and affecting people in Sweden and elsewhere.
     
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    Thank you @Trish (and @Peter Trewhitt )! I feel the same way, that I shouldn't be shocked, but I still am. And above all, I am so frustrated that there is no public discussion about this beyond what I write and publish. The media acts as megaphones without any fact-checking. Consortium members are doing things in the name of Karolinska Institute, Stockholm University, and Region Stockholm, and people believe it.

    I am doing what I can to document what is happening, thinking that at least there will be a record for when people wake up and try to understand what has happened."
     
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    Eight members of this group met with the Norwegian Directorate of Health to talk about ME in february, as found out by and FOI request by a Norwegian patient advocate, more can be read here (in Norwegian).

    I'm just translating what Sissel shared as the main points of their presentation, I haven't been up to reading through it myself yet:
    • The Guidelines should not create artificial separation between patient groups without scientific backing (for example PEM vs non-PEM)
    • CBT and GET are well documented, safe and effective for this patient group and this should be made clear in the guidelines
    • A singular biomedical focus can be dangerous
     
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    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A singular pseudoscientific focus can be dangerous.
     
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    Their entire ideology is built on this. But of course we know that any requirement they want to apply will only apply in their favor.
     
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    OPINION:

    I have yet to read a single study from the Oslo Chronic Fatigue Consortium without finding something that seems off, writes board member of the Norwegian Covid Association Marit Stafseth (pictured).

    (Foto: Jarle / Aasland Stavanger Aftenblad)

    To the Oslo Chronic Fatigue Consortium:
    Enough is enough

    DEBATE: I question what the actual purpose of this research is.

    Marit Stafseth BOARD MEMBER OF THE NORWEGIAN COVID ASSOCIATION
    https://www.sciencenorway.no/covid1...c-fatigue-consortium-enough-is-enough/2503517
     
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    https://www.sciencenorway.no/covid1...is-neither-psychological-nor-physical/2503062

    OPINION:

    Responding to criticism: Modern brain research provides new insights into long-term symptoms and explains how symptoms can arise both with and without signals from the body, writes Silje Endresen Reme (pictured)

    (Photo: Universtity of Oslo)
    Long Covid is neither psychological nor physical
    OPINION: We don’t believe there is one single way out of Long Covid – we believe there are several.
    Silje Endresen Reme
    PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF OSLO AND CHAIR OF THE BOARD, OSLO CHRONIC FATIGUE CONSORTIUM (OCFC)
     
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    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Their explanations are so banale:
     
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    Reme also has this comment on LOTECA and SIPCOV:
    With the finishing touch of:
     
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    Is that "as long as you agree with us"?

    I genuinely do have questions, which we have discussed else thread, but how do I ask them without being branded vexatious?
     

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