Pathophysiology of sleep disturbances/unrefreshing sleep in pwME?

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    rapidboson Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Interesting angle! As an analogy, would you in that case contribute e.g. impaired working memory with running out of RAM to process/save new information? Though the brain surely is more complex than this analogy would make it sound.

    Do you know in which sleep stage this complement-mediated forgetting happens?
     
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    Yes.

    No idea.
     
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    There was just a presentation of the "Sleep-Neuro-Path" study in Germany. More info here. Will share some screenshots of disturbances they found in (if I understood correctly) studies done before this new study. Seem to have found a difference in sleep spindles in NREM2 and will now look deeper into it and additionally check brainstem signals (arousals).
    Very interesting stuff.
     
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    Here are the screenshots - I hope it's OK to share them here. Papers in preparation it says.

    So they seem to have seen decreased sleep spindles in long COVID patients. Some potential correlations to ACE2-AAbs and serum MDA.
    Will be interesting to see the bigger cohort where they will in addition to the thalamo-cortical network also monitor brainstem (HRV, arousals etc).
     

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    Is there any broader evidence for the role of complement in sleep-dependent memory pruning in humans? - in mice there is e.g. the Wang et al demonstration of the engulfment of synaptic components by microglia & that boosting CD55 prevented C1q/C3 tagging & protected memories from microglial pruning.

    There's some evidence that certain signalling molecules (complement, ephrin) are affected by sleep deprivation (e.g. in Lucey et al (found C1q/C4-pathway proteins upregulated in CSF after one night without sleep) & Reis et al (showed blunted nocturnal C3a after 24 h wakefulness), & some additional evidence from studies of mild TBI. It's an interesting idea - also reminds me a little of the famous REM-dreaming Crick-Mitchison hypothesis (or, if you go well back into medical history, to William James).
     
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    I don't think so. I think the data are from mice, as you say.
     
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    Zhang et al. pulled out three genes related to adenosine metabolism and apparently adenosine is important in sleep pattern. Alleles cover risk for insomnia for instance.
     

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