Petition: Save Karen Gordon from Dying of Malnutrition and Dehydration due to NHS Failings

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  1. MrMagoo

    MrMagoo Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    PEG-J was already in place and not delivering enough.
     
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  2. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    For severe patients I can't see this working out. They are already do so little activity that deviations wouldn't be noticeable. For mild patients you could observe going down from 3-4K steps per day to something like 500. This would be noticeable. But actimetry wouldn't capture much data for people who are largely immobile. Karen likely takes 0 steps per day.

    But even if so, how would it be good evidence? I can't see any clinician who has been fed the behavioral version looking at this data and thinking anything other than the usual "chose to be less active / afraid to do more / whatever". The only useful source of information is the patients, which medicine is incapable of using as good information. So this is something about which there can't be evidence a clinician would accept unless the clinician accepts the patient's perception as valid. About an illness redefined as a disorder of invalid perception where evidence against the model actually counts for it.

    This is literally the basis of Catch-22: your perception will be used against you, whichever way it goes. The problem isn't data, it's humans armed with bad pop psychology and more sophistry than in an intro to logical fallacies class.
     
  3. Amw66

    Amw66 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Update today via change org
    https://www.change.org/p/save-karen...nd-dehydration-due-to-nhs-failings/u/33008237

    Everyone

    It was good to have Karen’s case publicised in articles in ‘The Times’ newspaper and on-line. Thank you to Fiona Hamilton, chief reporter for ‘The Times’ who wrote the articles and thank you to ‘The Times’ for publishing them.

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    Thank you so much to everyone who has signed and shared the petition. Also, thank you very much to everyone who has chipped in to promote the petition. It is very generous of you and it makes a big difference. Thank you for your supportive comments. It is all much appreciated by us.

    Please keep sharing this petition and telling people about Karen’s situation.

    Thank you to everyone for your support.

    Best wishes to you all.
    Karen, Heather & Michael

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