Request for Steering Group members to guide a study on online connections of people with ME/CFS and their offline lives

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PhD Student @Bham

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Project: I am studying for a PhD on the social implications of having a long term chronic illness, namely ME/CFS. As part of my research I am conducting:

A qualitative study on the online connections of people with ME/CFS and the relationships between these online connections and offline lives.

The purpose of this study is to understand the experiences of online usage in adults with ME/CFS and find out how this activity supports them in their everyday life. Gaining knowledge on how individuals use ME/CFS-related online sites for support, and how this fits in with their offline relations, will help us to look at providing better services to support management of the condition.

PPI request: I am looking for 5 people who have ME/CFS and use the internet in an ME/CFS-related way to form a steering group.

Level of engagement: to meet 3 times on zoom for 30-60 minutes in 2025:

1) To advise on interviewing topic guide

2) To discuss emerging findings

3) To discuss results & dissemination avenues.

The meetings will be attended by 6 PPI members and myself. It is possible to do 1:1 sessions if required.

Reimbursement: unfortunately there is no incentive available other than knowing you are leading research into improving the support offered to people with the illness.

Initial meeting: due to time constraints the first steering group meeting ideally needs to take place in January/early February.

Contact myself: DLS760@student.bham.ac.uk
 
Hi @PhD Student @Bham welcome to the forum.
Although many of us on the forum use handles you can use your name if you choose to. In this case as you’re asking for people to contribute to your research I think most would probably appreciate knowing who you are, what led you to want to research people with ME/CFS and what discipline your PHD is in. Perhaps you could share your protocol?

Have you considered how to reflect the views of people with severe ME/CFS in your research and your steering group? Some people aren’t able to engage through zoom.
 
PhD Student @Bham said:
Gaining knowledge on how individuals use ME/CFS-related online sites for support, and how this fits in with their offline relations, will help us to look at providing better services to support management of the condition.
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It is good to see people interested in research related to ME/CFS. But my question would be why asking abut internet use would help providing better services? At present we basically have no meaningful services and certainly no evidence-based interventions. Developing better services will require trials of particular modalities. Are there particular modalities that you think we could devise better trials for if we knew more about internet use? My guess is that it is so personal and variable (people here come and go) that no generalised conclusions are likely to emerge.
 
Hi, welcome to the forum.

Can you please give us more information on who is supervising this project and what their and your interest is in ME/CFS?

From my understanding of social science research, mainly from reading published papers, it seems that in order to be regarded by supervisors and journals as academic research, there has to be some kind of theoretical basis to the intended analysis, some hypothesis to test, some sort of analytical process required of the researcher using thematic analyses leading to whatever the participants tell the researcher being interpreted according to the researcher's own beliefs. There is also a real problem of leading questions producing dubious outcomes.

That may sound cynical, but we've been the subject of all sorts of harmful conclusions from social science.

On the other hand, I hope you are open to learning and listening to people with ME/CFS with an open mind, open questions, and a determination not to mess about too much with what people tell you in interviews, and let then speak for themselves, unfiltered by theories.
 
I wonder if this relates to this protocol also from Birmingham (Institute of Applied Health Research) ?

I'm not familiar with the institutions role in any past research into ME. I'd be keen to know how is the research being funded and what it's thrust is? It's not especially helpful to stereotype PwME as hyper online.
 

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Welcome to the forum, @PhD Student @Bham

Jonathan Edwards said:
But my question would be why asking abut internet use would help providing better services?
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This was similar to my response. It's important, because your ask's quite a big one—they always are in ME/CFS.

It involves people using capacity they need for the basics of life and self-care, which is then not available for those things. It could even mean their symptoms worsen for a time.

People will make sacrifices if there's a good enough reason for the ask, of course. If it's a two-way benefit, where they can enjoy speaking with a researcher still in the early stages of their career and potentially help make the future better for people with ME/CFS.

But it's not like asking for something that only costs volunteers a bit of their time. In those cases people may be able to afford to be generous, or volunteer for things because they sound interesting.

Anyway, look forward to hearing more about your work.
 
Well, if this is Diane, you will find everything you could possibly want to know right here on S4ME I would say. 3000 people to talk to in open discussion, no holds barred. This is where I discovered everything about ME/CFS, as a health professional.


"Diane is studying for a Doctorate in Applied Health Research with the College of Medical and Dental Sciences. Looking at the social implications of long-term chronic illness, her PhD – using qualitative research methods – investigates how people with Malygic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome build and maintain social and community networks and relationships, both online and offline, in their daily lives. Diane has a personal and professional interest in living with chronic fatigue and its social construction, perception and understanding in society"


My guess is that the reality is that this request for PPI steering group members is a requisite of the college system - likely of the bigger 'system'. It is a hoop to jump through. I am sceptical of such rigmaroles but if a good dialogue ensued maybe people here would be prepared to play the college game as a not too onerous part of the bigger project.

Applied Health Research Units needs to be got up to speed on just how catastrophic the health care system's role has been for ME/CFS. Maybe some good papers could be produced.
 
Welcome @PhD Student @Bham it is fantastic that you are looking to establish patient involvement in your steering group and great that you are discussing this here at such an early stage.

It would be well worth looking at the Decode ME study, especially the relevant threads here, as, though it could not possibly be more different to your study, they have got their patient participation right, developed ME/CFS friendly materials and questionnaires and are looked on very favourably by the patient community.

Even before you get your steering group up and running there is a surprising amount of work done to ensure people with ME can participate effectively and on equal terms, especially if you are to also have input from people with severe ME.

We are a very diverse group but provide a hive mind that can be an unmatched resource into understanding existing ME/CFS research, how effective/relevant materials might be and how best to interact with the patient community.

ME/CFS has not been well served historically by psychosocial research, especially qualitative research, so we collectively are likely to robustly challenge research ideas, but this ultimately would result in a better understanding of our condition and in better research.

Obviously being predominantly patients and carers (though not exclusively) we are focused on how any research might directly benefit our community, but I hope we also recognise that if research helps deepen understanding of our experience that might have beneficial knock on effects even if there are no obvious short term practical outcomes.

For me one possible benefit would be to challenge the specialist ME/CFS clinical services’ and the BPS ideologically oriented researchers’ historical prejudice against such groups as ourselves or indeed any online support groups. Indeed some prominent researchers, particularly advocates of the controversial PACE study and supporters of exercise based interventions as curative treatment say, without evidence, that involvement in patient groups reduces your chances of recovery. But then they are attached, again without evidence, that false cognitions are a significant aspect of our condition.

I wish you well, and though I do not have the energy or cognitive resources to be involved in such as a steering group, I hope you also will want ongoing involvement in the forum so that I can at least participate in discussion at various stages.
 
Kiristar said:
I wonder if this relates to this protocol also from Birmingham (Institute of Applied Health Research) ?

I'm not familiar with the institutions role in any past research into ME. I'd be keen to know how is the research being funded and what it's thrust is? It's not especially helpful to stereotype PwME as hyper online.
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Threads here:

Protocol for a scoping review of how people with ME/CFS use the internet (2024) Shortland et al.
Lots of concerns expressed in the discussion.
Review A systematic scoping review of how people with ME/CFS use the internet, 2023, Shortland
We didn't discuss the paper.
 
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Why now?

This quote from the Review paper abstract

Dolphin said:
With reported higher levels of online activity for people with ME/CFS than other conditions, more knowledge of characteristics and experience of online use in everyday life is needed.
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This is the Norwegian reference for that statement (long block of text broken up for ease of reading)
The Social Media Experiences of Long-term Patients:... 2016

Previous research has revealed high levels of social media engagement amongst Norwegian ME patients. A comparative study found higher levels of online forum activity for ME than other patient groups (Knudsen et al. 2012), and blogs by ME patients have appeared as central nodes in mappings of the Norwegian political blogosphere (Moe 2011).

Popular histories of the Norwegian blogosphere have also noted the importance of ME blogging (Jackson 2010: 77, Westerby 2013). Furthermore, initiatives originating from ME patients through blogs and Internet forums have aimed to affect medical treatment, research funding and political attention concerning this disease (Westerby 2013: 186-190).

Such use of social media by ME patients has been criticized (Bjerkestrand 2012) in debates that are part of broader discursive contestations concerning this illness. Ongoing struggles over the nature of ME, treatment procedures and directions for research imply that patients find themselves at conflicting junctions in polarized debates (Jelstad 2012, Lian & Bondevik 2013).
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@PhD Student @Bham

I appreciate that you show an interest in ME/CFS.

Please read this as context, and please don’t make any of the same mistakes.

https://melivet.com/2023/08/10/poor-quality-of-me-research/

Also, just because your professor says that something is «good enough», that doesn’t mean that it actually is «good enough». This forum is going to hold you to the highest of standards - far higher than most academics. Because our lives depend on it. It can make you a better researcher if you allow it to.

You should probably read this as well while you’re at it!

https://www.s4me.info/threads/long-...e-in-online-epistemic-communities-2025.42161/
 
Peter Trewhitt said:
it is fantastic that you are looking to establish patient involvement in your steering group and great that you are discussing this here at such an early stage.
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Having looked at our other threads on this project it is further on than I had first realised, and wonder if discussion with such as ourselves could perhaps profitably have been started sooner at the literature review stage.

I still think it is great that there is the intention to include patient participation in the project steering group, but I suspect a more general discussion of the project here, either in a public thread or in a members only thread, would help to more effectively plan for specific involvement of people with ME/CFS in the steering group, and also be used to inform subsequent planning by the steering group.
 
@PhD Student @Bham

You need to assess what percentage of people with ME live alone. A great many did not live alone before they became sick. Relationships do not always survive one partner becoming sick long term.

Edit Add: Youngsters with ME (from as children or teen) who are too sick to school or socialise in person offline, can be able to school online, and via diverse online groups to develop meaningful social friendships that would not be possible offline.


Also investigate the loss of friendships/family relationships after becoming sick, which is not exclusive to ME, occurs with all severe chronic illness, but which is exacerbated for ME sufferers when their friends/relations have acquired distorted beliefs about the illness being in some part or wholly 'psychological', fully or partly psychosomatic, leading to erroneous beliefs that improvement or recovery is within the power of individual patients and if they don't improve/recover then it's their own fault.

Gaslighting by formerly trusted friends/relations. Patient blaming. Subsequent social abandoning of the sick former friend/relation.

For some pwME who live alone, moderately or severely sick, online communications are the *only* communications with any other human being at all, for days/weeks/months on end. Assuming they are even well enough physically and cognitively to navigate being online. For the first decade of ME I wasn't.

These days, the only person I see in person for weeks on end is my homecarer. In the first year of ME I went for many weeks without seeing a single other human being. It would be another 9 years before I was cognitively/spacially able to go online.

We don't just go online only to discuss illness, research, etc -

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Peter Trewhitt said:
Having looked at our other threads on this project it is further on than I had first realised, and wonder if discussion with such as ourselves could perhaps profitably have been started sooner at the literature review stage.
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It's not even doctoral candidates who need to start by consulting with patient communities. It's their supervisors.

Otherwise, by the time researchers get face to face with patients, they can find they're surprisingly reluctant to answer their questions. From the patients' point of view, they look like the wrong ones.

I'm not suggesting that's specifically the case here, @PhD Student @Bham, just that it's part of a widespread pattern.

At work I used to get questions from Masters students that were based on how their tutors imagined my industry worked. They had no idea, so the students were often left feeling let down. They quickly grasped there was a yawning gap between theory and practice, and that extra work added a lot of pressure. It went on for 20-odd years; we'd have been happy to work with the tutors, but we never heard from them.
 
PhD Student @Bham said:
Project: I am studying for a PhD on the social implications of having a long term chronic illness, namely ME/CFS. As part of my research I am conducting:

A qualitative study on the online connections of people with ME/CFS and the relationships between these online connections and offline lives.

The purpose of this study is to understand the experiences of online usage in adults with ME/CFS and find out how this activity supports them in their everyday life. Gaining knowledge on how individuals use ME/CFS-related online sites for support, and how this fits in with their offline relations, will help us to look at providing better services to support management of the condition.

PPI request: I am looking for 5 people who have ME/CFS and use the internet in an ME/CFS-related way to form a steering group.

Level of engagement: to meet 3 times on zoom for 30-60 minutes in 2025:

1) To advise on interviewing topic guide

2) To discuss emerging findings

3) To discuss results & dissemination avenues.

The meetings will be attended by 6 PPI members and myself. It is possible to do 1:1 sessions if required.

Reimbursement: unfortunately there is no incentive available other than knowing you are leading research into improving the support offered to people with the illness.

Initial meeting: due to time constraints the first steering group meeting ideally needs to take place in January/early February.

Contact myself: DLS760@student.bham.ac.uk
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Hi I’d like to follow up from my post last week by giving you a little more information on myself, my research and reasons for my PPI request.


I am indeed Diane Shortland from the University of Birmingham and am studying for a PhD in Applied Health Research. I study within the department of applied health sciences and am not based in any psychiatric disciplines. My overall research topic is on the social implications of long term illness, namely ME/CFS: how do people build and maintain online connections and relationships in their daily lives?


I have ME myself and have spent time both bedbound and housebound over the years. I believe ME/CFS to be a physical biochemical illness. During my tough years I relied a lot on friends I’d made via the ME world and I valued the support I got from them, particularly when up against stigma and invalidation from those around me. I have no psychiatric or psychological agenda to my research; instead I am curious to learn more of how the internet can improve the lives of people with ME/CFS. The reason behind all research is to move the knowledge forward and so my aim is to gain greater insight into online use in people with ME/CFS. I am not seeking to find any causative link between internet use and ME/CFS. I wish to understand how the internet is aiding daily life, in what ways this is happening and how it interlinks to people’s offline lives. I don’t have a pre-determined theoretical standpoint but instead work in an inductive iterative manner, being led by the findings. I am open and engaged in my approach to research and believe patient and public involvement (PPI) is a useful exercise. It is not a requisite of my college that I include PPI in my study, however the benefits in doing so are clear.


My previous systematic review was of a scoping design to ensure all information on the topic of online use was found and not narrowed by any assumptions; criteria was broad and and highlighted areas where further research was needed (i.e. direct experiences of people on their online use and how it relates and interlinks to offline lives). On my current study - interviewing those with ME/CFS - I again wish to remain as open as possible about what findings may emerge. I therefore feel the use of a steering group in formulating my interview topic guide will enhance the process and may bring up questions to ask that I may have missed myself since we all have different experiences we bring to the table.


In my background searching it became apparent that very few research studies actually interviewed people directly so I wish to give opportunity for people with ME/CFS to share their own voice and experiences. The interviews will ask open-ended questions and allow for interviewees to take the topic where they see relevant. In doing this we can look beyond any assumptions about the use of the internet in people’s lives we may have, and open up to all ways it is being used, as well as to what benefit.


The findings will hopefully not only shed light on greater insight of online use but also lead to dissemination discussions about how this knowledge can aid in the offering of services to support people better, especially remotely. The findings will very much guide the outcomes of knowledge-into-practice. My intention however is to bring recognition to people who are managing their own illness and use this knowledge as a resource to take forward with the view of improving lives wherever possible. The social isolation experienced by many is an added illness burden and it would be good to not only have this understood and appreciated more but also have an interest in trying to improve daily living for such people who live with an illness that affects every single area of their lives. In short, my research is empathic and transparent and intended to support all those going through what I have gone through myself.


I understand the energy expenditure that involvement in PPI will mean and I do appreciate the sacrifice taking part would entail. If anyone else is interested, don’t hesitate to contact me on: DLS760@student.bham.ac.uk
 
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