Survey on the draft protocol for the cancelled update of the 2019 Cochrane ME/CFS Exercise Review

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  1. Midnattsol

    Midnattsol Moderator Staff Member

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    Todd Davenport and Mary Dimmock, two of the author panel of the now-cancelled update of the 2019 Cochrane ME/CFS Exercise Review, posted an open letter to the ME/CFS community March 11 2025 including the draft protocol that was developed to update the review and an opportunity to comment on said draft protocol.

    Links to the draft protocol, survey, and FAQs:
    ● The draft protocol:
    ● The survey to provide comments: https://pacific.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0wRPgjuYlVVZa6i
    ● FAQs on the draft protocol and survey:

    The letter can be read in full below:
     
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  2. Andy

    Andy Retired committee member

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    In case anybody wants to be able to copy and paste the links to the draft protocol and to the FAQs.

    Draft protocol
    Code:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bJzQ7C6Gr2sCFQ37vZ0fSiObkSmqc22T/view
    FAQs
    Code:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Njn0o98LMoU9nyJmd_AXmQNqIV_3e4xV/view
     
  3. ME/CFS Skeptic

    ME/CFS Skeptic Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Was only able to briefly skim the protocol but I think it looks good and addresses most of the problems raised with the Larun et al. 2019 version. For example, it includes objective outcomes and reports of harm from non-randomized studies.

    A (minor) point of critique is that it overstates the evidence for post-exercise abnormalities in ME/CFS, for example here:
    Most are these are from small unreplicated studies.

    It also intends to split up ME and CFS, which I think will mostly cause confusion:
    So if I understand correctly inclusion using the IOM-criteria or 2007 NICE criteria will be called ME even though these are quite vague and usually not considered diagnostic criteria for ME.

    It might be easier to just do a subgroup analysis for studies that did require PEM or downgrade studies that did not require PEM for indirectness as the NICE committee did.
     
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    Andy Retired committee member

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    <groan> Yep, that is exactly what it will do, as it always does when people try to make them into different things. Better to describe them as "ME/CFS with PEM" and "ME/CFS without PEM".
     
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  5. Yann04

    Yann04 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I don’t really like that as it entails you could diagnose ME/CFS in someone without PEM.

    What about something like “Pre-PEM definitions of ME/CFS”
     
  6. Robert 1973

    Robert 1973 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Strongly agree. The same issue is discussed on the thread about the Irish HSE guidelines for ME/CFS here: https://www.s4me.info/threads/hse-c...c-fatigue-syndrome-ireland.42810/#post-590220


    Again I agree, although I think it is more than a minor point. As we have learnt from repeated experience, overstating the evidence of physiological abnormalities is invariably counterproductive as it can be used to undermine the credibility of valid arguments. We don’t need evidence of physiological abnormalities to show that GET doesn’t work and causes harm, so better to err on the side of understating what is know or leave it out.
     

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