Swiss Re: Expert Forum on secondary COVID-19 impacts, Feb 2021

Article from Brian Hughes at The Science Bit: All Aboard the Long COVID gravy train

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Swiss Re Group, “one of the world’s leading providers of reinsurance and insurance,” recently hosted a virtual Expert Forum on “secondary” impacts of COVID. As would be expected, the insurance industry is especially interested in the financial implications of this new disease. The programme covered many of the biophysical sequelae of COVID, as well as its knock-on impact on population mental health and the effects of lockdown-related treatment delays. Many of the slide presentations are now online.

(link also shared in the thread The Science Bit by Brian Hughes here)
 
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https://www.swissre.com/institute/conferences/expert-forum-on-secondary-covid-19-impacts.html


Time (CET)


Session No./Recordings


Topic


Presentations


Expert




Intro - Recording

Introduction and welcome


Direct longterm impacts of the pandemic

Christoph Nabholz, Head Life & Behaviour R&D, Swiss Re Institute and Nora Leonardi, L&H Research & Development Manager, Swiss Re

( Sadly, but not unexpectedly this MS, was NOT recorded...., so no disclosure was evident...!)



Long-haulers and chronic fatigue


Trends in fatigue due to Secondary COVID Syndrome

Michael Sharpe, Professor of Psychological Medicine, University of Oxford

COVID-heart I

Research into the effects of COVID-19 on the heart

James Moon, Clinical Director, Cardiac Imaging, Barts Heart Centre



3 - Recording

COVID-heart II


Heart involvement in COVID-19: What is the risk of long term consequences?

Patricia Pellikka, Cardiologist, Mayo Clinic

16:00


4 - Recording

Post-hospitalization


Recovery rates, re-hospitalization, age, diseases

Ashwani Bhatia, Chief Medical Officer, BayCare Clinic

16:30

5

COVID-lung

Trends in lung fibrosis following COVID-19 infection

Gisli Jenkins, Professor of Experimental Medicine, University of Nottingham

17:00


6 - Recording

Boston University collaboration


COVID-19 mortality across sociodemographic and health characteristics

Andrew Stokes, Assistant Professor, Department of Global Health, Boston University School of Public Health

17:30


Closing day 1
 
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This blaming the media for long covid business is yet another example of reverse causation as far as I can see.

Virtually nobody except the ME community even considered the possibility of long term health issues post covid.

The very people - those who are younger & unlikely to need hospitalization - are also some of the people at an age where they are more likely to take risks generally, not less. The very people who should have been warned weren't for fear of causing undue psychological distress. So of they went to pubs and bars, demonstrating at chucking out time.

The media is only now starting to mention long covid. So I fail to see how someone who caught covid this time last year and didn't recover within a few months could have known the media might mention long covid a year later.

In criticising membership of support groups Sharpe mentions that those who are members are likely to be those who have been sick for longer & therefore more pessimistic. This then begs the question if someone has recovered from covid would they not move on, as Sharpe himself suggests? Why would they join a group for people who haven't recovered? Using Sharpe's own logic the only people who would join a support group are those who haven't recovered.

So it isn't the fear of long covid that's causing people to suffer from long covid
& become members of long covid support groups, it's long covid itself.
 
Invisible Woman said:
In criticising membership of support groups Sharpe mentions that those who are members are likely to be those who have been sick for longer & therefore more pessimistic. This then begs the question if someone has recovered from covid would they not move on, as Sharpe himself suggests? Why would they join a group for people who haven't recovered? Using Sharpe's own logic the only people who would join a support group are those who haven't recovered.
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Yeah, it's nothing to do with patients or illness, is it. The danger of support groups is that bright, articulate people get to talk to one another about who's gaslighting them, and discuss how to resist using better arguments and a firmer grasp of scientific principles. That's really not on, is it.
 
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Now he's coming back to do the same to you

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In a remarkable display of—well, I’m not even sure what to call it–Professor Michael Sharpe has blamed Guardian columnist George Monbiot and Long COVID support groups, among others, for the wave of people reporting prolonged symptoms after acute bouts of COVID-19. And during the same February presentation in which he made those observations, Professor Sharpe warned viewers of “poor quality research” while still citing his beloved but discredited PACE trial as if it offered meaningful evidence. The event was an “Expert Forum on secondary COVID-19 impacts” organized by Swiss Re, a major reinsurance company.

https://www.virology.ws/2021/04/06/...ing-long-covid-says-professor-michael-sharpe/
 
Andy said:
In a remarkable display of—well, I’m not even sure what to call it–Professor Michael Sharpe has blamed Guardian columnist George Monbiot and Long COVID support groups, among others, for the wave of people reporting prolonged symptoms after acute bouts of COVID-19. And during the same February presentation in which he made those observations, Professor Sharpe warned viewers of “poor quality research” while still citing his beloved but discredited PACE trial as if it offered meaningful evidence. The event was an “Expert Forum on secondary COVID-19 impacts” organized by Swiss Re, a major reinsurance company.

https://www.virology.ws/2021/04/06/...ing-long-covid-says-professor-michael-sharpe/
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George Monbiot, "Turns out I'm a Long Covid super-spreader. We seem to have returned to the age when we believed diseases are spread by spells and incantations."
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Andy said:
In a remarkable display of—well, I’m not even sure what to call it–Professor Michael Sharpe has blamed Guardian columnist George Monbiot and Long COVID support groups, among others, for the wave of people reporting prolonged symptoms after acute bouts of COVID-19. And during the same February presentation in which he made those observations, Professor Sharpe warned viewers of “poor quality research” while still citing his beloved but discredited PACE trial as if it offered meaningful evidence. The event was an “Expert Forum on secondary COVID-19 impacts” organized by Swiss Re, a major reinsurance company.

https://www.virology.ws/2021/04/06/...ing-long-covid-says-professor-michael-sharpe/
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A tweet by Tuller:

Wow, Professor Michael Sharpe, who blames Guardian columnist @GeorgeMonbiot for causing Long Covid, posted this comment under my blog about it: "I do believe the word ‘hysterical’ is Dr Tuller." Professor Sharpe, can you translate that into English, please?

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Kalliope said:
A tweet by Tuller:

Wow, Professor Michael Sharpe, who blames Guardian columnist @GeorgeMonbiot for causing Long Covid, posted this comment under my blog about it: "I do believe the word ‘hysterical’ is Dr Tuller." Professor Sharpe, can you translate that into English, please?
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Presumably he missed off an 's'.

"I do believe the word ‘hysterical’ is Dr Tuller's."

eg:

Tuller said:
Here’s what seems to be Professor Sharpe’s basic point: We wouldn’t be hearing from all these anxiety-ridden, depressed, hysterical and deluded people (mostly women) if they weren’t being convinced that there’s a thing called Long COVID by patient disinformation and fearmongers like George Monbiot.

That’s the argument. That’s it. Really.
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Those are not Sharpe's words.
 
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