The Born Free Protocol

[Wyva]

Joshua Leisk's work is impressive and has led to some great achievements: now I have an even lower opinion of his activity, which I didn't think was possible before. Congrats!

 

[Peter T]

If six percent of people with ME/CFS do recover, what percentage of them go on to develop a marketable treatment package which becomes a major source of income?

Given the enormous range of backgrounds of these evangelical recoverees, and the equally large variation in their ‘treatment’ protocols, are the only commonalities between them are that they had sufficient activity levels to invest in their preferred approach and they experience recovery? So we can conclude that no specific approach is necessary to develop a marketable treatment, but that recovery is a sufficient and necessary precursor?

Sellers of these packages urge us to look at recovery stories, but is the only reasonable conclusion of such variety that the only thing they all have in common is recovery? Then surely the only reasonable conclusion is not that package x or package y or package z causes recovery, but that recovery enables individuals to develop their chosen package.

 

[Jonathan Edwards]

So the recovery causes the treatment, not the treatment causes the recovery.

 

[Sean]

Must be some mighty powerful woo if it can reverse causality.

 

[Sasha]

Must be some mighty powerful woo if it can reverse causality.

Personal experience is a powerful thing. People don't think in statistical terms. (That's what we're here for.)

 

[Peter T]

Must be some mighty powerful woo if it can reverse causality.

If someone is experiencing an ongoing steady recovery, but early on in that starts an ‘intervention’, then as they continue to improve they are more able to double down on the intervention. So their commitment to the intervention is associated with further improvement, so it is understandable that cause and effect become confused.

 

[Yann04]

I found what is almost certainly Leisk’s reddit account. Most of its activity is dispensing medical advice related to the protocol in long covid and ME/CFS subforums. There is also plenty of evidence that the user of this account believes in alien visitation and is an antivaxxer.View attachment 29740
His account.

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Arguing that “alien remains” are genuine.

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Arguing that the Covid vaccines do more harm than good.

Good detective work. I wonder what’s best way to use this information.

 

[Yann04]

The major costs and effort this protocol take make me wonder if it might create a sunk cost fallacy similar to the LP.

 

[InitialConditions]

I found what is almost certainly Leisk’s reddit account. Most of its activity is dispensing medical advice related to the protocol in long covid and ME/CFS subforums. There is also plenty of evidence that the user of this account believes in alien visitation and is an antivaxxer.View attachment 29740
His account.

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Arguing that “alien remains” are genuine.

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Arguing that the Covid vaccines do more harm than good.

This should come as a suprise to no one.