Trying to ride two horses with one arse, as my dad would have put it.

Trying to ride two horses with one arse, as my dad would have put it.
The digital health technology provider, ELAROS, will demonstrate two solutions to support PwME directly at home and in clinic with the support from NHS services
From earlier on this thread:
I think it's worth copying the information again here:
Webinar:
Quote:
Wednesday, July 2
Integrating ME/CFS and Long Covid Specialist Services
Attend to hear about advances in clinical practice, research, and support for people with ME/CFS at home from a range of speakers
By ELAROS 24/7 Ltd
Date and time
Wednesday, July 2 · 1 - 3pm GMT+1
Location
Online
About this event
This webinar is brought to you by ME Association and ELAROS 24/7 LTD and is aimed at clinicians, academics and service providers working in the fields of ME/CFS, Long Covid, and other long-term condition services.
- Event lasts 2 hours
This event will be recorded. Please email c19-yrs@elaros.com for a copy of the recording if you are unable to attend on the day.
Long Covid and ME/CFS share similar characteristics and have a similar impact on an individual’s ability to function normally. Infections are regarded as the triggers to these chronic medical conditions that certain individuals have difficultly recovering from.
In the absence of approved and effective treatments for either condition, management is the main tool we have to work towards a stabilising of symptom frequency and severity and an improvement in an individual’s life quality. It is essential that affected individuals are referred to a multi-disciplinary specialist team who can confirm a diagnosis, provide tailored care and support based on need, and advise on the tools necessary to manage health effectively.
The NICE Guideline (NG206) provides evidence-based clinical recommendations for the diagnosis and management of ME/CFS that can be applied to Long Covid where individuals whose difficulties stem from a Covid-19 infection meet the criteria for ME/CFS. We await final publication of NG188, the clinical guideline for Long Covid, last updated in January 2024.
Integration is being promoted because of a need to retain specialist clinicians and build provision for a larger patient community. We need to meet demand for early and accurate diagnosis and effective management for those with ‘infection associated chronic conditions.’ In areas where there is no ME/CFS service it represents an opportunity to provide essential support, likewise in areas where continued Long Covid provision is in doubt or where clinics have closed. In areas where provision is likely to continue, it presents an opportunity to bring specialists together under a new service structure that aims to improve health outcomes for more people.
This webinar will bring front-line clinicians together to share their own experiences of service provision, to discuss the future of integrated services for ‘infection associated chronic conditions’ and to hear how development leads and commissioners have overcome local challenges, involved patient representatives, will monitor health outcomes, and other factors that have played a role in the design (and launch) of integrated services.
Our speakers:
ME Association will share progress on the development of a new clinical assessment toolkit for PwME in collaboration with University of Manchester, alongside a range of options to make the toolkit and various support resources digitally accessible for both clinicians and patients. MEA will also provide an overview of progress being made on the integration of specialist services across the United Kingdom.
The digital health technology provider, ELAROS, will demonstrate two solutions to support PwME directly at home and in clinic with the support from NHS services, building on their specialist Long Covid platform recommended by NHS England and NHS Scotland.
We will be joined by a range of clinical service representatives from England and Wales to demonstrate advances being made in the integration of specialist ME/CFS and Long Covid services with other conditions, and to present some of the challenges and opportunities of undertaking this work.
Claire Jones, Consultant Therapist at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board’s Living Well Service, will share their progress to introduce an integrated service to support Long Covid and other infection-related chronic conditions, ME/CFS and Functional Neurological Disorder.
Claire Corbett, Head of Cancer and Long Term Conditions at Suffolk and North East Essex Integrated Care Board will present on the ICB’s work to develop a service specification for the Suffolk and North East Essex Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Long Covid Service over the next 3-5 years.
Our webinar will be chaired by a special guest speaker to be announced soon.
Finally, additional breakout sessions will be delivered by representatives from several clinical societies and charities in ME/CFS and Long Covid.
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https://www.elaros.com/
ELAROS is a private company that works with the NHS to provide digital apps and websites, including patient apps where they can fill in PROMs, and access to these by clinicians.
M
The initial aim, I think is for it to be used particularly for Long Covid clinics to track their patients in their rehab clinics.
There is a questionnaire that seems to be at the heart of this called
The Covid-19 Yorkshire Rehabilitation Scale
I have had a look at it, and it seems fairly sensible and easy to fill in, with sections on symptoms, function and general health. Patients can fill it in on the app.
Edit: See next post for research on the scale.
The problems are the same as for all questionnaires - mainly when a set of quite sensible questions is turned into numerical data that can be very misleading, especially if used to justify rehabilitation as effective.
Not if we challenge......'Our speakers:
ME Association will share progress on the development of a new clinical assessment toolkit for PwME in collaboration with University of Manchester, alongside a range of options to make the toolkit and various support resources digitally accessible for both clinicians and patients. MEA will also provide an overview of progress being made on the integration of specialist services across the United Kingdom.
The digital health technology provider, ELAROS, will demonstrate two solutions to support PwME directly at home and in clinic with the support from NHS services, building on their specialist Long Covid platform recommended by NHS England and NHS Scotland.'
This is a total take over of 'ME services' in the NHS. Accomplished.
We are stuffed.
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My comment was in relation to discussing this matter with the MEA. They weren’t responsive regarding Trish’s letter about PROMS, I doubt Russell Fleming will reply to the @ here, better to leave them to it and speak to other organisations about this app.Our charities seem to go through phases, and in the bigger ones, there seems to be a constant bubbling up of BPS stuff while at the same time, the charities are promoting bioscience and trying to get it funded. That suggests to me a mix of different people holding different views. How much in the ascendant the BPS stuff is seems to vary over time, so I wouldn't give up on the MEA as a lost cause - particularly since what it does affects us all.
I think the question is how to challenge them effectively. Doing that from the outside seems less effective than from within.
We had proof, it was the 5 Feb 2025 meeting blurb which linked the PROMS with the app, can’t find the screenshot just yetFrom earlier on this thread:
I think it's worth copying the information again here:
Webinar:
Quote:
Wednesday, July 2
Integrating ME/CFS and Long Covid Specialist Services
Attend to hear about advances in clinical practice, research, and support for people with ME/CFS at home from a range of speakers
By ELAROS 24/7 Ltd
Date and time
Wednesday, July 2 · 1 - 3pm GMT+1
Location
Online
About this event
This webinar is brought to you by ME Association and ELAROS 24/7 LTD and is aimed at clinicians, academics and service providers working in the fields of ME/CFS, Long Covid, and other long-term condition services.
- Event lasts 2 hours
This event will be recorded. Please email c19-yrs@elaros.com for a copy of the recording if you are unable to attend on the day.
Long Covid and ME/CFS share similar characteristics and have a similar impact on an individual’s ability to function normally. Infections are regarded as the triggers to these chronic medical conditions that certain individuals have difficultly recovering from.
In the absence of approved and effective treatments for either condition, management is the main tool we have to work towards a stabilising of symptom frequency and severity and an improvement in an individual’s life quality. It is essential that affected individuals are referred to a multi-disciplinary specialist team who can confirm a diagnosis, provide tailored care and support based on need, and advise on the tools necessary to manage health effectively.
The NICE Guideline (NG206) provides evidence-based clinical recommendations for the diagnosis and management of ME/CFS that can be applied to Long Covid where individuals whose difficulties stem from a Covid-19 infection meet the criteria for ME/CFS. We await final publication of NG188, the clinical guideline for Long Covid, last updated in January 2024.
Integration is being promoted because of a need to retain specialist clinicians and build provision for a larger patient community. We need to meet demand for early and accurate diagnosis and effective management for those with ‘infection associated chronic conditions.’ In areas where there is no ME/CFS service it represents an opportunity to provide essential support, likewise in areas where continued Long Covid provision is in doubt or where clinics have closed. In areas where provision is likely to continue, it presents an opportunity to bring specialists together under a new service structure that aims to improve health outcomes for more people.
This webinar will bring front-line clinicians together to share their own experiences of service provision, to discuss the future of integrated services for ‘infection associated chronic conditions’ and to hear how development leads and commissioners have overcome local challenges, involved patient representatives, will monitor health outcomes, and other factors that have played a role in the design (and launch) of integrated services.
Our speakers:
ME Association will share progress on the development of a new clinical assessment toolkit for PwME in collaboration with University of Manchester, alongside a range of options to make the toolkit and various support resources digitally accessible for both clinicians and patients. MEA will also provide an overview of progress being made on the integration of specialist services across the United Kingdom.
The digital health technology provider, ELAROS, will demonstrate two solutions to support PwME directly at home and in clinic with the support from NHS services, building on their specialist Long Covid platform recommended by NHS England and NHS Scotland.
We will be joined by a range of clinical service representatives from England and Wales to demonstrate advances being made in the integration of specialist ME/CFS and Long Covid services with other conditions, and to present some of the challenges and opportunities of undertaking this work.
Claire Jones, Consultant Therapist at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board’s Living Well Service, will share their progress to introduce an integrated service to support Long Covid and other infection-related chronic conditions, ME/CFS and Functional Neurological Disorder.
Claire Corbett, Head of Cancer and Long Term Conditions at Suffolk and North East Essex Integrated Care Board will present on the ICB’s work to develop a service specification for the Suffolk and North East Essex Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Long Covid Service over the next 3-5 years.
Our webinar will be chaired by a special guest speaker to be announced soon.
Finally, additional breakout sessions will be delivered by representatives from several clinical societies and charities in ME/CFS and Long Covid.
___________________________
Thank you, I remembered it but couldn't find it either. I'll add it to my summary.We had proof, it was the 5 Feb 2025 meeting blurb which linked the PROMS with the app, can’t find the screenshot just yet
Edit- might have been on one of the other threads/moved.
post was by cinders66
https://c19-yrs.com/elaros-hosts-webinar-on-digitally-supporting-me-cfs-and-long-covid-services/
My screenshot file is too big to post
I don’t know if this was seen?
ELAROS Hosts Webinar on Digitally Supporting ME/CFS and Long COVID Services - C19-YRS
https://c19-yrs.com/elaros-hosts-webinar-on-digitally-supporting-me-cfs-and-long-covid-services/
On Wednesday, 5th February, ELAROS hosted a webinar on Digitally Supporting ME/CFS and Long COVID Services, bringing together key experts at a crucial time for the ME/CFS and Long COVID communities.
That seems unlikely, to put it mildly.I guess it’s possible the MEA has recently produced a new clinical toolkit that isn’t the new clinical assessment toolkit Tyson spoke about with Russell Fleming of the MEA, at this event?
Quite.That seems unlikely, to put it mildly.
I wonder which charities are involved in the breakout sessions, apart from the MEA?I wonder whether ThereforME are able to attend?The above event is intended for professionals. I have just registered and had to provide my organisation and role, so I put Science for ME international forum and my role as committee member. I wonder whether that will pass muster as a professional. All I have to do now is remember to watch it.
We had a year of 'Claire'........I got briefly involved in the Suffolk plans but don't know where things go to. @Suffolkres will know.
Well, the appearance of profiting, anyway. This is psychobehavioral ideology, after all. Nothing is real, everything is made up.In fairness, they have solved how to keep profiting off our suffering.
Quite successfully, apparently.![]()