The ME Association Clinical Assessment Toolkit (ME-CAT) and app (autonom-e)

Ahhh, the fallacy of choice.

Next DWP will ask "Why don't you use the tools that have been provided to help you improve your function?"
That is exactly how this is going to happen. This crap will be abused to the max against us.

'Don't you want to get better? If you are not even prepared to try then sorry but no support for you, lazy peasant scum.'

That kind of cruel blackmail shit.

This sort of endless form filling is exactly the cognitive busywork that can make clinics inaccessible for pwME.

It’s basically homework for someone whose already struggling to have the energy to survive.
One fairly obvious thing is that I have days where - due to PEM or if we want to call it exhaustion - on certain days the same very low-demand 'activities' (toilet, sitting up, lying down being awake, tea etc) produce completely different measures compared to other days.
This.
 
Published evaluation of the outcomes of the British specialist services, though predating the new NICE guidelines, found a decrease in hours worked and an increase in benefits claimed following treatment from these services. This suggests they failed as services providing rehabilitation, but these changes could be regarded as a positive outcome for people with an ongoing condition. It might suggest that services aimed at supporting adaptation to a disabling condition would be more appropriate than rehab based services, suggesting this assessment tool kit is looking at completely the wrong things.
 
So this app , is for those who unlike People with any other potentially serious illness, are not provided with nhs care and for that privilege they want to charge a subscription fee for accessing the toolkit.
Yep, and all the app provides is a bunch of useless questionnaires and links to the MEA leaflets that you can get directly from the MEA. It's pointless.
 
How much does it cost?

I would actually like to see an ally (e.g. someone who cares for a pwME) work through this mountain and quantify how long it took them, how long it would have taken the pwME and how useless it is.
It would make a good reel.
 
I started looking at the information about the toolkit in preparation for the webinars tomorrow and Wednesday.

The article on the MEA website reveals that Phase 2 of the project has been funded by the MEA with another £60,000. making a total of £150,000 the MEA has paid Sarah Tyson for this set of PROMs. I assume they have also paid ELAROS a hefty sum to produce the MEA app.

The ME Association Clinical Assessment Toolkit

Phase II: Dissemination and Implementation
The ME Association Ramsay Research Fund for Biomedical and Healthcare Research
Grant Amount £59,750
Location University of Manchester
Research Field Healthcare
Lead Researcher/s Professor Sarah Tyson
Start Date 01/08/2025
Duration 18 months
Status In progress

BACKGROUND
A detailed understanding of patients’ symptoms and disabilities is central to providing tailored care, but this is a challenge for NHS ME/CFS specialist services because of a lack of accurate, effective measurement tools (known as patient reported outcome measures, PROMs).

Currently, no ME/CFS PROMs could be recommended for clinical use or research because of poor methodological quality. PROMs have much to offer. Research into other conditions shows they can improve understanding of patients’ problems, facilitate monitoring, speed up decision-making, and improve communication.

In Phase I of the MEA-CAT project, the research team co-produced (with ME/CFS clinicians and people with lived experience) a series of psychometrically robust PROMs to define the impact of ME/CFS on an individual, their clinical needs, and their satisfaction with the specialist service.

PROJECT DETAILS
Following the success of Phase I, the development of the PROMs, Phase II of this project aims to disseminate and implement them.

There are three main aims:
1. Dissemination of the development process in peer-reviewed journals.
2. Implementation of the toolkit to make the PROMs readily available to clinicians and
people with lived experience.
3. To add three further elements to the toolkit to make it more comprehensive.

The research team will use the same co-production, psychometric and collaborative
techniques as Phase I to achieve the following objectives:

1. Dissemination (publications):
Publish papers regarding:
i. the development and psychometric evaluation of the toolkit assessments,
ii. ME/CFS symptoms, post-exertional malaise, activity levels, clinical needs, and
experience of ME services,
iii. the impact of ME/CFS on people with severe ME; explore symptom clusters and
phenotypes; and compare ME/CFS with Long Covid.

2. Implementation
Having developed the toolkit, it will be made available to as many people as possible by making hard copies available on the MEA website, producing digital versions via two Apps one for individuals to use and one for NHS ME/CFS/LC specialist services.
Completing the toolkit electronically is much quicker, simpler and cheaper than doing it manually as it makes all the calculations and produces the summary reports automatically.

3. Further additions to the toolkit
Three further resources will be co-designed and validated:
i. a co-morbidities checklist
ii. a template care and support plan
iii. and a version of the toolkit for children and young people.

IMPORTANCE OF FUNDING
Phase II of the project is critical for translating findings from Phase I into impact, it will:
• Address a critical gap: There are currently no PROMs for ME/CFS which meet clinical or research standards—MEA-CAT fills this void.
• Built with rigour and relevance: Phase I successfully co-produced psychometrically robust tools with patients and clinicians.
• Improves care and decision-making: PROMs enhance understanding, monitoring,
communication, and service evaluation.
• Expands the toolkit: by adding a co-morbidities checklist, introducing a care and support plan template as well as developing a version for children and young people.
• Strengthens the evidence base: through the use of peer-reviewed publications, this will expand the evidence base for ME/CFS symptomatology, severities of ME/CFS, symptom clusters, phenotypes… as well as allowing service evaluation.
• Accessible: the toolkit will be implemented widely via hard copies and digital apps—
making it accessible to individuals and NHS specialist services and enabling automated scoring and reporting.
By funding this phase, this enables the MEA-CAT to move from development to real-world use— empowering patients, improving clinical decision-making, and strengthening the infrastructure for ME/CFS research and care.
 
I have had a quick look back over the questionnaires and their scoring system. None of it makes any sense to me. It is only applicable in a therapist lead rehab environment using the BACME approach. The scoring is clearly intended to enable clinics to 'prove' they are adding value for patients, despite the fact that adding up disparate things makes no sense.

The score for several questionnaires depends largely on counting how many symptoms you have which depends how they have chosen to subdivide them, and gives, for example, the same score to being completely unable to eat as getting a persistent runny nose from an allergy. It's utterly bonkers.

The PEM scores will be increased if you can think of more items on the list of possible triggers, and a higher score if your PEM is delayed for several days than for a delay of less than a day. There is nothing about how badly you lose function in PEM, it focuses on symptoms of PEM.

and on it goes.

I can't see any ME/CFS doctor wanting to have anything to do with this stuff. It's all about therapists accumulating busywork. Why does a therapist advising me on managing activity need to know if I have allergies, or nausea or constipation or dry eyes or tinnitus or migraines or a sore throat. They can't do anything about them. If symptoms are troublesome, we need a doctor not an OT.
 
I found this in a Q&A on their website:
Why not use objective measures such as activity monitors or heart rate monitors?
Technology such as heart rate monitors have a great deal to offer people with ME/CFS. They are great for measuring an individuals’ day to day variability and to monitor longer term changes, or outcomes.

However, they are a non-specific, or proxy measure. For example, a step counter will tell you how many steps you have taken that day, but it won’t tell you what you were doing, or how you had to adapt other activities to do those steps, nor the consequences of doing them. So, although it gives you an idea of ‘how you are doing’, it doesn’t give the detail to support discussions and decision-making such as developing a care and support plan.

In the future, it is hoped it will be possible to combine the toolkit with technological objective measurements to get the best of both worlds. However, there needs to be a lot more research into the best parameters to measure, the best way to measure them, how accurate and reliable they are, and to develop inexpensive and easy to use formats, before recommendations can be made for use in clinical practice, or for research.
If only they had applied the same level of reasoning to the PROMS and apps.
 
The score for several questionnaires depends largely on counting how many symptoms you have which depends how they have chosen to subdivide them, and gives, for example, the same score to being completely unable to eat as getting a persistent runny nose from an allergy.

Perfect example of how far detached from reality their whole approach is.
 
The score for several questionnaires depends largely on counting how many symptoms you have which depends how they have chosen to subdivide them, and gives, for example, the same score to being completely unable to eat as getting a persistent runny nose from an allergy. It's utterly bonkers.
So there is no weighting of the symptoms? Everything is just added together?
The PEM scores will be increased if you can think of more items on the list of possible triggers, and a higher score if your PEM is delayed for several days than for a delay of less than a day. There is nothing about how badly you lose function in PEM, it focuses on symptoms of PEM.
That even worse than I thought..
 
There is some weighting for severity of symptoms but the scoring for that is added to other stuff. Can't remember the details. Not sure I can face the webinar tomorrow. It will just make me helplessly angry.

This is £150,000 from the MEA Ramsay research fund I thought was supposed to be for biomedical research. I have donated to that fund in the past. Never again.
 
i. the development and psychometric evaluation of the toolkit assessments,
Phase I successfully co-produced psychometrically robust tools with patients and clinicians.

There it is. This has nothing to do with any benefit for us.

By funding this phase, this enables the MEA-CAT to move from development to real-world use— empowering patients, improving clinical decision-making, and strengthening the infrastructure for ME/CFS research and care.

That is exactly what it will not do. It will, in fact, do the complete opposite and simply further entrench and expand the existing psycho-behavioural scam that has dominated for the last 50 years.
 
I have been looking more closely at the first questionnaire
https://meassociation.org.uk/mea-cat/

The Index of Symptoms (TIMES) to assess your ME/CFS symptoms​

Download TIMES
There are also sub scales which assess more specific issues and which can also be used as standalone assessments. Downloads available on each listed item:

TIMES Sub-scales
  1. Fatigue
  2. Neurological Symptoms
    1. Cognition
    2. Pain
    3. Motor-Sensory
  3. Dysautonomia
    1. Sleep
    2. Cardio-Respiratory
    3. Cranial Nerves
    4. Gastro-Intestinal
    5. Immune System

The question change for each section, with some asking how much of the time you experience them, some asking how severe they are, and some asking how much they interfere with activities. I can see no logic to this.
For example, for the cognitive symptoms, it asks how much of the time you experience them. There is nothing about how much they interfere. There's a list of variations of cog symptoms and for each there's a score from 0 to 3 depending on how much of the time you have them. These are added up to assess how severe your cognitive sympoms are. So someone who has very severe slowness of thought to the extent that they can't drive or keep up with desk work, but only gets the other aspects occasionally, would score as mild, whereas someone who gets all the aspects on the list, some of them nothing to do with their ME/CFS, and can drive and work, would come out as having very severe cog symptoms.

The lists are too detailed, thereby giving undue weight to minor variations of the same thing. Whereas OI only appears once on the whole list.

Someone could be bedbound with extremely severe OI, but score much lower than someone who has lots of symptoms mildly all the time.

You get the same points (maximum 3) for troublesome farting a lot, and for not being able to eat at all.

The whole thing is bonkers.
 
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More from the MEA article about the toolkit. FAQ's
https://meassociation.org.uk/mea-cat/
The following is the complete FAQ section copied from the linked article.
(I haven't put it in a quote box to make it possible to multiquote sections for discussion)

How is a clinical assessment toolkit used?

As noted above, the main use is for clinical assessment. ME/CFS is so variable in the type and severity of difficulties it causes, that it can be very hard to explain.

We have made sure the MEA-CAT covers all the main problems and difficulties that people with ME/CFS face, using language that makes sense for people with the condition and, as far as is possible, is easy for them to use. There is also plenty of opportunity to add extra information and detail if you wish, so nothing important is missed.

It is expected that you will be given access to the MEA-CAT (either electronically via an App or via paper copies) before you attend an NHS ME/CFS specialist service for help and support. This will give you opportunity to complete the tools in your own time and at your own pace. This helps you manage your activity levels, reduces the demands of clinic appointment(s) and also means you can be confident that nothing important has been missed.

The MEA-CAT and it's patient reported outcome measures (or PROMs) can be completed regularly as a means of monitoring your condition and progress. So, the specialist service should ask for them to be completed while you wait for a referral, during your time with the service, and after you have been discharged.

Once completed, your answers to each of the PROMs will be added up to produce ‘scores’. If you are using a digital App this will be done automatically. The final score is often not very meaningful unless you are familiar with the assessment. So, each PROM also has a ‘report card’ which gives a summary of your results. This is the part which is most useful to you and to clinicians involved in your care.

As well as for use by NHS ME/CFS specialist services, to enable a better understanding of their patients and their needs, the MEA-CAT can be used by people who are not being seen by specialists.

We have designed a public-facing App (see above) that is free to use (with a subscription option that currently allows for the exporting of reports). It means the PROMs can be used at any time and the scores will be calculated automatically. This will help you to better understand your difficulties, and share them with e.g., your carers or GP, and to help track changes over time. The App also includes a Support function that enables access to all of the ME Association's services and to it's expert literature.

The MEA-CAT can also be downloaded and each PROM completed manually (see above).

It is expected the toolkit will be of interest to researchers in the UK and overseas.

Who has access to my data?
You. Whether you download the Toolkit PROMs from the website and use them manually, or you download the App, you are the only person who can see your answers. It is your decision whether you wish to share them with anyone else.

How have people with ME/CFS been involved?

As mentioned above, a key, unique aspect of this project is that it is a patient-led co-production between people with ME/CFS and clinicians working in NHS ME/CFS specialist services.

This is to ensure that the toolkit provides information that is important and relevant to both parties and is easy to use. Ensuring the ‘patient voice’ is heard is central to the project. We included a patient advisory group in the development process and we have tested each PROM on the ME/CFS community via promotions in the MEA e-Newsletter. To this end, thousands of people took part and their feedback has been invaluable.

Including people with severe ME/CFS has also been a priority. We wanted to ensure their difficulties were recognised and the PROMs were as easy as possible to complete. People with severe ME/CFS were included in our advisory group, and we took advice from the 25% ME Group (a charity for people with severe ME) and configured the tools to be as accessible as possible.

It is a measure of the success of those strategies that about 20% of participants had severe ME/CFS. This is a higher proportion than other large questionnaire surveys, such as DecodeME.

Why are professionals from specialist NHS ME/CFS services?

As well as the patient advisory group, there is a clinical advisory group. This includes people who work in NHS ME/CFS specialist services from a range of professional backgrounds and types of service.

An important factor influencing whether an innovation is taken up in clinical practice is whether it is ‘fit for purpose’. That is, whether it is easy for clinicians to use, provides the information needed, in a way that is needed, and supports (or at least, does not distract from) all the other aspects of care and practice that clinicians need to provide.

The clinical advisory group has contributed to every stage of the project. We realise that some people will consider it controversial to work with clinicians, but we believe that working with them in partnership is beneficial in order to influence their decisions and to bring positive change to established practice.

Why are there so many questions in the assessments?

We have made the assessment tools as short as possible. One element of development phase was to remove any questions which were ‘redundant’ or duplicated other questions.

However, we acknowledge that the TIMES (assessing symptoms) and the MEAQ (assessing activity levels/disability) are still quite long. This is because ME/CFS causes a lot of different types and severity of problems, so if there needs to be a lot of questions to be comprehensive. However, they have been broken into sections to make it easier to pace and take breaks.

They are also designed so that the sections form ‘stand alone assessments’ which can be used on their own. For example, if you wanted to focus on sleep problems or pain (as far as symptoms were concerned), then after the initial assessment you could just complete these subscales without completing the whole assessment to monitor these issues.

We have also minimised the cognitive demand of completing the toolkit by keeping the questions as short as possible, using accessible formats andstyling (based on recommendations for people with dyslexia) and using multiple choice answers with a consistent format.

Why not use objective measures such as activity monitors or heart rate monitors?

Technology such as heart rate monitors have a great deal to offer people with ME/CFS. They are great for measuring an individuals’ day to day variability and to monitor longer term changes, or outcomes.

However, they are a non-specific, or proxy measure. For example, a step counter will tell you how many steps you have taken that day, but it won’t tell you what you were doing, or how you had to adapt other activities to do those steps, nor the consequences of doing them. So, although it gives you an idea of ‘how you are doing’, it doesn’t give the detail to support discussions and decision-making such as developing a care and support plan.

In the future, it is hoped it will be possible to combine the toolkit with technological objective measurements to get the best of both worlds. However, there needs to be a lot more research into the best parameters to measure, the best way to measure them, how accurate and reliable they are, and to develop inexpensive and easy to use formats, before recommendations can be made for use in clinical practice, or for research.
 
How is a clinical assessment toolkit used?

As noted above, the main use is for clinical assessment. ME/CFS is so variable in the type and severity of difficulties it causes, that it can be very hard to explain.

We have made sure the MEA-CAT covers all the main problems and difficulties that people with ME/CFS face, using language that makes sense for people with the condition and, as far as is possible, is easy for them to use. There is also plenty of opportunity to add extra information and detail if you wish, so nothing important is missed.
Has any of them actually spent any time thinking about what would help the HCPs the most? They should know how to take a history, so the core problem is to get them to understand ME/CFS and actually believe in how debilitating it can be.

Instead of targeting the HCPs with educational resources, they are essentially placing the burden of convincing any HCP you meet onto the patients. «If you just explain your symptoms clearer, they’ll understand». It’s completely delusional.

And how is it relevant for a «clinical assessment» if I have gas or not? It’s like they believe that there is some inherent value to documenting every single thing you experience throughout the day. Are they expecting the HCPs to plot everything into a massive «clinical assessment tool» that will spit out the most probable diagnosis and course of action?

Even if getting an accurate account of every single symptom was important, it could have been solved by simply encouraging the patients to make a list beforehand so they won’t forget any due to brainfog etc.

And how would this work for comorbidities? What should the diabetic ME/CFS patient do? Should we create another PROMS for them as well?

I fear this «tool» might actually make it easier to dismiss any new symptoms as «just ME/CFS» because it’s on the list, even if it might actually be something else that requires medical attention.
 
Help. Is anyone else expecting to attend the Elaros MEA webinar in 5 minutes time? I have spent the last half your trying to figure out how to get into it. I have multiple emails including one with a link to get my ticket, but no way I can see of actually using it.
 
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