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The role of lifetime stressors in adult fibromyalgia: systematic review and meta-analysis of case-control studies, Kaleycheva, Chalder et al, 2021

Discussion in 'Other psychosomatic news and research' started by Andy, Feb 20, 2021.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    Paywall, https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...trol-studies/5329C49CDEF274DD931A544514EC4E8A
     
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    Play a little game before you read it. Which psychological factor will they say is the cause and/or perpetuating factor today. No need to guess what the recommended treatment will be.
     
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    (I haven't read this study)

    What's the bet that the nineteen studies were retrospective, with all the bias in reporting that that implies.

    And, even if it is true that a higher risk of abuse correlates with a higher risk of fibromyalgia, it's correlation, not causation. A higher risk of abuse probably correlates with poverty, and so all sorts of potential risk factors, including less nutritious food, poorer medical (including dental) treatment, higher rates of smoking. Having a tendency to fibromyalgia bad enough to limit employment in the family might well mean that your family is more likely to be poor, and therefore you are more likely to be at a higher risk of suffering 'lifetime stressors'.

    And, even if abuse does actually contribute to the incidence of fibromyalgia, not everyone with fibromyalgia can point to abuse, and not everyone who has suffered abuse gets fibromyalgia. So, this type of research doesn't really get us very far in terms of thinking about the cause. I'd far rather research money was spent on trying to understand what 'fibromyalgia' actually is, than on propping up the Chalder gravy train.

    This research doesn't get us very far in terms of thinking about a treatment either. Psychological treatments should stand on their record of treatment success, not on questionable correlations between life-time stressors and illness, and questionable assumptions about what 'thinking differently' can do for chronic health conditions.
     
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    I bet these are all retrospective papers using self report. When this is examined longitudinally funnily enough this correlation disappears. Fancy that
     
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    Stressful life events are so ubiquitous to being alive and human that it is vanishingly unsurprisingly that there is such a link using retrospective, biased ways of studying these things. (To be fair I haven't read the paper. Might do tomorrow when I am sober ).

    Can't quite believe anyone with a PhD sets out to study this in this way and gets it passed peer review. Sad state of affairs.
     
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    Meta-regression analyses demonstrated no effect of... ...study quality on effect sizes.

    I am more than a little suspicious of that.
     
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    Anyone have access to the full-text?
     
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    I have it. I'm reading and making notes with the idea of writing to the editor.
    I've contacted you directly on the forum.
    Joan Crawford
    Counselling Psychologist
     
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    I wrote a critical 1200 word Correspondence regarding this article. I've had the following response today:

    Ref.: Ms. No. PSM-D-21-00663R1
    The role of stressors in adult fibromyalgia - a response to Kaleycheva et al.

    Psychological Medicine

    Dear Ms Crawford,

    Congratulations - your paper is now accepted for publication in Psychological Medicine. We are offering Dr Kaleycheva an opportunity to respond and if so then we will publish both letters together.

    ==

    Yay - I'll share it when I it is published :)

    Thought @Michiel Tack @Hutan @Sean @Andy @Sly Saint @Trish might like to know :)

    Brightened up my evening.
     
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    Congratulations, @Joan Crawford. I look forward to reading your paper.
     
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    Brava !
     
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    Hello there,

    A wee update - I have had my Correspondence with Psychological Medicine about this paper published today. Yay. I can't see an authors response so far - perhaps that'll come along in time.

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...ycheva-et-al/F8AC978336EDA0E9AAFCEBBC8CA9641E

    Let me know if you can't read/access and I can probably PM you with it.

    @Michiel Tack
    @Sean
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    Please share :) and comment. I liked the format in this journal allowing extended correspondence so I could make as many points as possible.

    Kind regards,
    Joan Crawford
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    Thank you, a very helpful response.

    I despair that so many papers like this are still being published without a basic understanding of experimental design, repeating basic logical failings that we were taught to avoid when I was a psychology undergraduate over forty years ago.

    Real life clinical research is complex, but that is not a justification for shoddy thinking, rather the reverse.
     
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    Thanks @Joan Crawford

    Some interesting highlights:
     
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    Joan also refers to this interesting paper by Raphael et al. which probably provides the most reliable info we have on this subject. The abstract reads:
     
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