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Trial By Error: An Open Letter to Dr Godlee about BMJ’s Ethically Bankrupt Actions

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS news' started by Andy, Aug 28, 2019.

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  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    http://www.virology.ws/2019/08/28/t...godlee-about-bmjs-ethically-bankrupt-actions/
     
    Andy, Aug 28, 2019
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    Excellent! And what an impressive list of 55 signatures!
     
    Kalliope, Aug 28, 2019
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    Thank you David and everyone who signed.
     
    Skycloud, Aug 28, 2019
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  4. Trish

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    How can they possibly ignore an open letter with such a list of signatories, and even more important, such a clearly stated cast iron case for retraction. If they don't retract it, they lose all credibility.
     
    Trish, Aug 28, 2019
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    Would that be possible? Is it not all long gone?
     
    chrisb, Aug 28, 2019
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    Of course their credibility is long gone in our eyes in our small corner of the medical world, but this takes it up a level, I think. They now have an open letter with international signatories, not just David Tuller fighting a lone battle.
    But then it didn't help with the Lancet and PACE, so maybe I'm too hopeful.
     
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    Annamaria, Aug 28, 2019
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    The signatories are interesting. One or two different ones from U.K. Great to get a foothold in Birkbeck. Anyone know Keith Kahn- Harris’s background?

    I just googled him. Useful interest in denialism in latest book.

    http://www.kahn-harris.org/books/denial-unspeakable-truth/
     
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    Skycloud, Aug 28, 2019
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    98% sure he did an interview or wrote about having ME at one stage.
     
    Dolphin, Aug 28, 2019
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    Robert 1973, Aug 28, 2019
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    Binkie4, Aug 28, 2019
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  14. NelliePledge

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    Be interesting to know what the £500k was spent on
     
    NelliePledge, Aug 28, 2019
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    It led to the following study, which is probably the best prevalence study that has been done in the UK:
     
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    We've set up a thread for the survey in Advocacy Action Alerts, here.
     
    Hutan, Aug 28, 2019
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    Has anyone let Tom Chivers know about this on twitter?
     
    Esther12, Aug 29, 2019
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    I've only just read this now - thanks to Tuller and to all the signatories for raising these concerns.
     
    Esther12, Aug 31, 2019
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    Trial By Error: Calls for Retraction of the LP Study

    Last week, when I sent Dr Fiona Godlee an open letter about the untenable decision by Archives of Disease in Childhood to republish the originally reported findings from the Lighnting Process trial, I cc’d many of the 55 signatories. Now three of them–Professor Ola Saugstad from the University of Oslo, Professor Racaniello from Columbia University (and host of Virology Blog), and Professor Elisa Ultra of Universidad Católica de Valencia San Vicente Martir–have sent their own forceful comments to Dr Godlee and the others cc’d on the original letter.

    All three strongly support the case against the paper. Professor Saugstad and Professor Racaniello explicitly call for retraction. Professor Ultra questions why such a trial was even conducted, given the paucity of information available about the Lightning Process, and calls the published report “unsustainable.”

    I am reposting their comments here.
     
    Kalliope, Sep 3, 2019
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