Trial By Error: Bristol’s Complaint to Berkeley [Short Tuller blog 23rd December 2017]

Esther12 said:
LOL - that would be super tenuous! Hopefully we'll get more from them on the record. I expect that they'll just try to be utterly evasive in the expectation that no-one with power will care, and those who do pay attention couldn't think less of them anyway.
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It does look pretty dodgy though when questions of Bristol University having ethical permission to carry out a trial rather than investigating they put pressure on the institution that the journalist who raised the questions comes from to shut him up. It fails the headline test which is a good way to judge ethics (i.e. if you wouldn't be able to defend the actions if they were represented in a headline don't do them).
 
Is anonymity more important than safety? Isn't an ethics commitee's job to oversee if a trial is safe, doesn't contain criminal acts and so forth? So, could a researcher torture trial participants if it's anonymous? Sounds absurd.
 
I have been rather puzzled to receive the following from Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks via an M.E. group:

"Berkely Uni back David Tuller, confirm he has done nothing wrong
> http://www.virology.ws/2017/12/23/trial-by-error-bristols-complaint-to-berkeley/

This is in fact bad news. It is not about whether or not patients like or dislike the work of Esther Crawley, it is about the cyberstalking of David Tuller damaging the reputation of PWCs."

He's also referred to James Coyne as a cyberstalker and says that his webpages at a couple of universities have been deleted.
 
MeSci said:
I have been rather puzzled to receive the following from Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks via an M.E. group:

"Berkely Uni back David Tuller, confirm he has done nothing wrong
> http://www.virology.ws/2017/12/23/trial-by-error-bristols-complaint-to-berkeley/

This is in fact bad news. It is not about whether or not patients like or dislike the work of Esther Crawley, it is about the cyberstalking of David Tuller damaging the reputation of PWCs."

He's also referred to James Coyne as a cyberstalker and says that his webpages at a couple of universities have been deleted.
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Eh? Well, I suppose if not answering his (reasonable) questions, then accusing him of libel, pretending to have sent him legal letters to cease and desist (from being entirely reasonable & doing his job) and finally trying to get his university to rein him in doesn't work......let's get someone to try to ruin his reputation with the patients.

At what point do you think it will occur to them, if ever, to just engage with reality?
 
I've tried looking up Fluks too. He seems to recommend aerobic exercise for ME. And there's all sorts of odd stuff too. Someone of that name is an astronomer. No idea if it's the same person.

I guess he's decided anyone who challenges GET based therapies is a cyberstalker, hence Tuller and Coyne being thus labelled.

Best ignored.

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Questioning and refuting lies = cyberstalking? They're simply taking the logical fallacy of tone-policing to a new level, and Fluks needs to stop slandering people by accusing them of crimes or other misdeeds. Ironically, doing such slandering online makes Fluks a much more likely candidate for being labeled a cyberstalker than David Tuller.

I suspect there's also a substantial objection to scientific discussion taking place on the internet at all - the doctors have lost control of the masses in the online society. Doctors who appreciate science and discussion have no problem with that, but the ones who rely upon establishing their authority in the form of letters after their names might be more upset about the situation.
 
Does he have ME? And if so, why on earth is he recommending GET and criticising Tuller? Or is he a chum of the BPS lot trolling us?

Edit to add: I know we have a rule of not questioning the motives of members posting here. Since he is not a member, but someone who seems to be working against us elsewhere, I assume it's OK to question his motives.
 
He seems to have severe mental issues and posts very strange things about numerology and medieval type alchemy stuff. He will talk about a drug or something then say the chemical symbol is like the symbol for mercury so it means it is a trap set by people who want to take over the world or something like that.

It could be something to do with Tuller's initials that have set him off, no reasoning behind it.
 
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