Trial By Error: Some Thoughts About an Upcoming Article

I think its worth having ready for future publication though i do agree preemptive publication may not be the best plan though its worth working on beforehand and be ready to deploy if necessary

Does the publishing entity answer to anyone, do they have an ethics board or are they publicly owned?

We do need to really think carefully and not just react off the cuff because this would need to be a finely played game of chess. We must not forget the Art of War, we must be nothing if not strategic.

This thread should be made established members only IMO

 

Worth remembering that Prof Chalder and many other authors of BPS studies are not medical doctors.

 

When the article appears, I will obviously consider the appropriate response. As part of that, I will consider whether and how to involve Berkeley folks and other scientists/academics.

 

My understanding is that these Thursday debates almost never get covered. I think it would be a mistake to automatically assume that it was not covered because it's about ME. I mean, that certainly wouldn't help. But we don't know that's why. It's just as likely because it was a Thursday back-bench debate.

 

Where would we be if we forgot the Art of War!

 

I am the only person who should even remotely be thinking about doing anything else preemptively. NO ONE ELSE MUST DO ANYTHING AT THE MOMENT--NOTHING. I cannot emphasize this strongly enough.

 

Agreed.
I just meant that we should think about ideas of whats possible if they do drop the ball on you (with your permission of course)

 

"Are you... are you one of... them?"

Not paranoid, no sir.

 

I imagine they're going to show it to people who might otherwise take the concerns David raises seriously, and say "You really shouldn't listen to David Tuller. I know he *sounds* well reasoned but... look, don't take my word for it. Read this article about him, which was published in a respectable and independent media outlet..."

David's right. Backbench debates are highly unlikely to get any media coverage, unless they're on an issue that the media is already interested in. The media didn't ignore Carol Monaghan's debate because it was about ME - they almost certainly ignored it because it was a backbench debate, and that's what they usually do.

I don't think we need to think of any responses at this point. David is obviously already all over this - that's what today's blogs have been about. We should wait for the article and see how bad it is (if it is bad - perhaps it won't be) - then David can decide how he wants to respond (if at all) and if he wants us to assist in any way.

 

Thinking about things is fine. But the problem with preparing a response is that that people are all ready to go with the response because it's ready rather than because it fits the circumstances.

 

Also, to be clear--when/if the piece runs, it's not clear how much is about me and how much is about the community and not about me. So we'll just have to wait and see.

 

Fair enough, always good to properly tailor to the circumstances.

 

@dave30th FYI, in case you have not seen this yet-

https://www.s4me.info/threads/spani...-by-leonid-schneider-for-better-science.7946/

 

https://twitter.com/user/status/1091067785097158657

https://twitter.com/user/status/1091083511497441280

https://twitter.com/user/status/1091071920328589314

https://twitter.com/user/status/1091090750899609601

https://twitter.com/user/status/1091171310942765064

 

Deny, Delay, Defame.

Thank you @dave30th for letting us know about this upcoming/potential smear job.

I agree with others this is only happening because of your effectiveness at bringing to light these important issues.

As for the "doctor" comment, it only takes common sense to see many of the glaring flaws in the PACE trial.

If all journalists were required to have a doctorate on every topic they wrote on there wouldn't be much news, or opinion to read.

Thank you so very much for your determination, and skill in working for good science, and the human rights of this community.

 

I endorse this 100%.

And this another 100%!

Exactly. Anything else would be going off half-cocked and playing into people's hands.

 

It's setting up an argument from authority - Doctors have told me this, David Tuller isn't one so how can he possibly have the presumption to say they're wrong?

If DT was treating patients, it would be right to point out that he's not a doctor. But he's writing, and he's qualified to do so because he's a journalist, so what's the problem with him doing his job? If we want to go down the road of people straying into areas where they have no expertise, there are plenty of examples of that amongst the BPS crew.

Another pathetic attempt at a "gotcha" - if he says yes, he's running an emotionally driven campaign. If he says no, in addition to not being a doctor, he has no first hand experience of ME so obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

I am ready to sit at the barricades and do absolutely nothing.