UniteToFight2024 Long Covid and ME/CFS conference, 15th and 16th May 2024

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    (Australian) Senator Jordon Steele-John: Opening Speech YouTube | Transcript

     
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    Right? It's like PEM is no longer this mystery or weird made up phenomena by pwME.
     
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    ME Research UK:

    On the 15th and 16th of May this year, ME Research UK attended the first Unite To Fight conference – “The biggest community-driven ME/CFS and Long COVID conference ever”, which was held online. During the conference, many areas of ME/CFS and long COVID research were discussed – within which, ME Research UK highlights five key topics:

    1. ME/CFS as a part of long COVID.

    2. The importance of appropriate involvement of those with lived experience in ME/CFS, and in long COVID research.

    3. Research – and lived experience, shows that post-exertional malaise is not a result of deconditioning.

    4. Stop saying “long COVID and ME/CFS are a mystery” – more specific research methods are needed.

    5. Long COVID research does not appear to be learning from ME/CFS research mistakes.

    Read more: https://bit.ly/UniteToFightConf

    Access the conference website here: https://bit.ly/46z4X9U

    Watch recorded conference sessions here: https://bit.ly/3WBlMfH

     
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    For those that missed him live, his talk is now on YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx8rV2YeIj8


     
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    Anybody know if what is being proposed is a drug to prevent PEM (by tackling some underlying mechanism that limits our activity) or a drug to mask PEM after it has kicked in (like taking a painkiller for a headache)?
     
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    It would be very interesting to know more about this drug.
     
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    I'm wondering if it might even be a bad idea if it masks a symptoms that's a useful guide to not overdoing it.
     
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    Absolutely, I find ibuprofen for example masks symtoms (esp when i was mild) and leads to crashes if I'm not careful.

    But you would assume that they are talking about a drug that will stop/lessen this mechanism of damage that their study seems to identify rather than one that lets it go on whilst making you feel better.

    Anyway I'm very interested in this hypothesis and hope they say more about this and start a trial soon.
     
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    Dr. med. Michael Kacik: Vascular regulation disorder in Post COVID disease & MECFS (Day 2, Block 9)

    Discussing dysregulated microcirculation, orthostatic intolerance, nail-fold capillary changes, post-occlusion reactive hyperaemia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYWuWCDfXY


     
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    I agree, Prof Georg Schomerus seems to be an example of a good psychiatrist.

    I liked many of his points, one I remember is that medical professionals have been incentivised to make decisions quickly and get people out the door, rather than to exercise curiosity.
     
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    I just watched the David Tuller video with Wust and it was very interesting (but might need to do it a few times as I miss bits). My ears pricked up around 34mins in he started mentioning this, and NASA.

    I think this pyjama paralysis mandate has become so ingrained (with simplistic storytelling knocking any nuance out) when people say or write 'not based on deconditioning' they hear 'just a little bit' or 'but of course it's not good to decondition, even if it's not the cause' or all sorts of other bargaining with that edict.

    And of course we all do it to ourselves, and are thinking what is 'the balance' so is suggestion of finding the PEM threshold is also fascinating.
     
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