This thread is split from the "Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS. BMJ articles." thread that can be found here: https://www.s4me.info/threads/paul-garner-on-long-covid-and-me-cfs-bmj-articles.15629
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I doubt that Garner ever had ME of the kind I experienced, he may just have convinced himself he had ME during Covid + Dengue recovery
What arethe criteria for distinguishing between such conditions?
Yes, but seriously, is the mere fact of recovery sufficient to exclude ME? If someone has an illness lasting more than 4 or 6 months, take your pick, which appears to be ME, is the diagnosis to be withdrawn on recovery?
Many have experienced PVFS for decades and recovered, some not 100% back to baseline, PVFS does not equate ME despite the 'six month' waiting time. It seems everyone from sore legs to breathlessness is experiencing "PEM" since Covid.
Yes, but seriously, is the mere fact of recovery sufficient to exclude ME? If someone has an illness lasting more than 4 or 6 months, take your pick, which appears to be ME, is the diagnosis to be withdrawn on recovery?
I make no comment about the particular case as there is insufficient evidence to form a reasonable view as to what is going on.
That is one interpretaton. It may be the American interpretation. I do not know. What is reasonably clear is that in the UK theterm PVFS was used to avoid the word encephalomyelitis which was seen as problematical. The description by Behan in 1988 is reasonably clear. PVFS was ME that developed after viral infection.
Yes, but seriously, is the mere fact of recovery sufficient to exclude ME?
They don't refer to Polio as PVFS.
They don't refer to Polio as PVFS.
I don't know much about polio.
Are the problems following polio more systemic than problems with particular muscles? For example, walking with a limp - this was what my godmother who had had polio as a child, was left wth. She was otherwise fit, healthy and active.
It is not related to any sort of fatiguing or ME-type illness any more than stroke or MS is.
I'm not comparing polio to ME. I'm just saying that it has a viral onset.
If PVFS and ME/CFS are the same thing, except that ME/CFS lasts much longer and is commonly lifelong, then perhaps the difference is just some factor that prevents the recovery process from completing.
My understanding is that there are 3 types of polio. This might turn out to be the same for ME?