BABCP Annual Conference and Workshops

[Sly Saint]

Annual Conference & Workshops 2018

Strathclyde University, Glasgow 17th - 20th July 2018

http://babcpconference.com/

A process of change: integrating physical and mental health into IAPT
Chair:
Trudie Chalder, King’s College London
Speakers: Jo Hudson, King’s College London
Georgina Miles, University of Sheffield
Nicholas Wilkinson, TBC
Trudie Chalder, King’s College London

Online Cognitive Behavioural Therapy: Examining its acceptability, effectiveness, and
implementation in UK care contexts
Chair: Joanna Hudson, King’s College London
Speakers:
Jess Smith, King's College London
Joanna Hudson, King’s College London
Rona Moss-Morris, King’s College London
Trudie Chalder, King’s College London
Judith Gellatly, University of Manchester


http://babcpconference.com/Originals/Conference_programme_2018.pdf


CBT fest

 

[Trish]

Here's a couple more items from the conference program:

Use of therapeutic lies in therapy Ian James NTW NHS Foundation Trust & University of Bradford

CBT and ACT for people with physical disease Chair: Michael Worrell, Central and North West London Mental Health NHS Foundation Trust Speakers: Stirling Moorey, South London and Maudsley Trust Kathy Burns, St Christopher’s Hospice, London Marc Serfaty, University College London

Edited to remove one example already quoted above.

 

[Hoopoe]

Use of therapeutic lies in therapy

Do they mean promising good results while giving a placebo?

 

[Cheshire]

Use of therapeutic lies in therapy

Am I reading correctly?

A process of change

That must be some kind of joke. Or are they seriously believing that using the same paradigm in a slightly different context is what one would call change?

If KCL withdrew, there wouldn't be a lot of people left, would it?

 

[Trish]

or do they mean lying to patients 'for their own good' 'therapist knows best'

 

[Cheshire]

or do they mean lying to patients 'for their own good' 'therapist knows best'

Yep, I bet for a lot of paternalistic "we know better than these delutional patients, but let's not tell them right away they're so wrong, it would prevent them from engaging into therapy"

 

[Hoopoe]

If therapeutic lie is a thing, why not therapeutic outcome switching and p-hacking? If a lie is good and helps the patient, then bigger lies must help even more. Maybe that explains why there is so much BS in this field.

I'm having surreal feelings again. Surely this cannot be real.

 

[alktipping]

considering they made a career out of lying maybe the process of change means they need to come up with better lies to keep getting their hands on taxpayers money . a meeting to find more ambiguous language to befuddle the governments purse keepers.

 

[Amw66]

My son' s girlfriend qualifies as a nurse this year, specialising in mental health.
Her opinion of CBT is not high - overhyped, overused , varying in quality and patient blaming if poor engagement. Her concern is that there is not much else in NHS box of tricks to offer ...

 

[Sly Saint]

3rd-5th September
https://www.babcp.com/Conferences/Conferences.aspx

not much detail yet

 

[Barry]

or do they mean lying to patients 'for their own good' 'therapist knows best'

Also known as Playing God. We all end up having to do this at times in real life, because life sometimes puts us in such situations without any choice. But the crucial thing is, when we have no choice but to make decisions on someone else's behalf, that we also have the considerable integrity needed to accompany it; to try as best we can to have the other person's genuine best interests at heart, rather than our own self interests masquerading theirs. So much of what I see with the BPS approach, is to play god but lacking the integrity.

 

[MEMarge]

I see that they are looking for stewards to help at the Conference....

 

[Sly Saint]

BABCP Conference Programme Schedule
4th and 5th September 2019

Wednesday 4th September
Symposia, 09.00 - 11.00
ACT for long term conditions
Chair: Trudie Chalder, King’s College London
Speaker: Chris Graham, School of Psychology, Queen's University Belfast
Trudie Chalder, King’s College London
Whitney Scott, Health Psychology Section, King's College, London
Lucy O’Neil, University of Leeds

Looks like ACT is heading our way big time.

full 'agenda' here
https://www.babcp.com/Conferences/Annual/Programme/Timetable.aspx

 

[NelliePledge]

Is there any genuine point of difference between CBT and ACT or is it just changing the packaging to shed the growing evidence under the CBT description that “the product” is ineffective. Wrap it up in a new box and get the commissioners back on the hook.

 

[ladycatlover]

Looks like ACT is heading our way big time.

There seems to be a whole industry built around this useless crap. Acceptance and Commitment Therapy? Shut up and accept your life is full of pain, discomfort, misery and feeling ill, and agree to commit to accepting it?

In my experience Counselling is great, could be useful for many ME patients. But I'm talking Person Centred Counselling, and support, not CBT and other useless "interventions". Grrr. And these days the only counselling (note my lack of capital letter there) available on NHS is the useless sort.

I'm lucky that I can afford to go privately to a great Counsellor (took me a while to find one who was a "match" for me) who has helped me a lot. This sort of really helpful help SHOULD be available on the NHS.

Really despair at how NHS money is being spent on all the rubbish stuff, not to mention the research monies as well.

 

[NelliePledge]

Yes @ladycatlover ive been having person centred counselling for years - way before I got ME diagnosis and I wish everyone with chronic illness especially ME could have access to this support.

 

[Sly Saint]

CBT’s House of Cards?
14th Aug 2019 http://www.cbtwatch.com/ (Dr Mike Scott)

applying the acid tests of the Cochrane Collaboration Tool and the GRADE Handbook for the quality of randomised controlled trials, studies of low intensity CBT fail to clear the methodological bar. Whilst only high intensity studies for depression and the anxiety disorders make a successful jump. This calls into question IAPT’s penchant for disseminating CBT for everything, with an imprimatur from BABCP, paying travel expenses of upto £100 for special interest group members to attend a pre-conference workshop Revolution in Mental Health Service Delivery: The Evolution of Low Intensity CBT on Tuesday 3rd September.

One of the seven domains highlighted by the Cochrane Collaboration tool for assessing bias is the blinding of outcome assessment. I have been unable to locate one outcome study of low intensity CBT that fulfills this criteria whilst there are a significant minority of studies of high intensity interventions for depression and the anxiety disorders that do.

The GRADE handbook for assessing the quality of trials comments in section 3.4 ‘not infrequently, outcomes most important to patients remain unexplored’, with regards to psychological interventions clients are rarely asked by someone independent of the study whether and if for how long they are back to their usual selves since treatment. Instead most commonly reliance is placed on a surrogate measure a client completed questionnaire, as opposed to an independent clinicians assessment using a standardised diagnostic interview to determine whether there has been a loss diagnostic status.

I am afraid I can’t join in the jamboree for IAPT services that takes place at the BABCP annual conference. I doubt that the ‘House of Cards’ will be discussed and it would likely be seen as banned literature on IAPT training courses.