Brain Retraining treatment for ME/CFS and Long COVID - discussion thread

[shak8]

Here's a relevant FM pain science article for you @Friendswithme.

You see, pain may have a dessert-like topping (the CBT, brain retraining---all candy frosting but irrelevant to causation and ultimately prevention or cure), The real deal is that FM pain has a physical origin, ie the symptoms are a result of this physical origin, and one can talk of brain memory and prediction and so forth, but that is icing on the cake. We pain patients know all about treating pain with non-pharm and pharm methods, as well as distraction and having pleasant uplifting experience---all of these are key.

But the real deal is that pain is caused by processes that are physical. Please read the following:

Evidence for spinal disinhibition as a pain-generating... : PAIN Reports

arker of spinal disinhibition is impaired H-reflex rate-dependent depression (HRDD). Objectives: This study investigated whether patients with FMS exhibit evidence of spinal disinhibition. Methods: Thirty-one individuals with FMS and 20 healthy volunteers underwent testing of Hoffman reflex...

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[Holinger]

Anything by Lorimer Moseley is worth reading. He has a huge body of research behind him now.

I doubt that very much. Lorimer Moseley’s main grouse is thinking of pain as a thing that can be controlled by the patient( he gives the example of alcoholism). He promotes ‘danger in me’ dim, Safety in me (sim) where the patient should reframe a bad feeling when confronted with movement or an activity. I presume this is similar to the Neuro linguistic reprogramming courses. His business model is the same as Phil Parker and John Sarno in this way. I may have missed something but I have not seen and data on the DIM/SIM program being effective for lower back pain in a reasonable quality study. I don’t remember him ever mentioning Me/cfs or Fibromyalgia with his parter David Butler.

 

[Hutan]

Here's a relevant FM pain science article

We have a thread for the fibromyalgia paper here.