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Do treatments for paediatric chronic fatigue syndrome improve pain? a systematic review, Ascough et al, 2020 G535(P)

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic research - ME/CFS and Long Covid' started by John Mac, Oct 27, 2020.

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    John Mac Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/Suppl_1/A189.2
     
    John Mac, Oct 27, 2020
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    MEMarge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Another Crawley et al.
    Do wish they'd stop going on about "treatment".

    In fact I wish they'd stop all they are doing in ME/CFS.
     
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    This seems predicated on a belief that there is a treatment. At present there are no meaningful treatments.
     
    Peter Trewhitt, Oct 27, 2020
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    Why ask such an irrelevant question? It's really weird how these people both pretend to be experts but work as if they are completely naïve of everything, asking questions they know to be irrelevant, in large part because their own incompetence means pain is not even a recognized problem in ME? Unless somehow I guess pain is now a sub-symptom of "fatigue", or whatever. Who cares? Let's just make all the stuff up!

    Seems only to be about padding the resume of citations, since nobody ever checks the substance of such reviews.

    I mean seriously:
    What the fuck
    is wrong with them? What "initial treatment" are they even talking about here?! Seriously: WHAT INITIAL TREATMENT?!!!
    I repeat: WHAT INITIAL TREATMENT?! What even is the point of peer reviewers if they don't even check the substance of the words used?
     
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    I can remember as a child that my father refused to believe that children could actually be in pain. I had a doctor who appeared to believe that too.

    Edit : I should expand on that... My father didn't believe in pain in children if it was from an invisible source.

    I also remember neither of my parents believed that children could be depressed. I think that was a common belief in the medical profession too.
     
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    ME/CFS Skeptic, Oct 27, 2020
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    ARGH! How awful!
    When can we send all this sort of stuff to a toxic waste dump?
     
    Denise, Oct 27, 2020
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    However, patients who recover appear to have less pain than those who do not recover.

    On what planet does the definition of recovered include still having pain?
     
    Sean, Oct 28, 2020
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    Behold the purpose, more $tudies are needed.

    I wonder how much research funding Professor Crawley brings in.
     
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    Each paper simply reinforces how little such pediatricians actually know.

    For any to be termed " expert" is denigration of the term
     
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