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Henrick Vogt: "intense negativity spread by individuals/CFS groups/researchers" partly to blame for family's suicide

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic news - ME/CFS and Long Covid' started by Andy, Jan 21, 2018.

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  1. Evergreen

    Evergreen Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A December tweet by Dr Vogt read “I find that arrogance and ignorance is a common, unbeatable and extremely annoying combination. You´re too arrogant to see you know nothing, and too dumb to see your own arrogance.” https://twitter.com/user/status/943957184085446657
    Indeed, Dr Vogt. Indeed.



    I hope that parents of children with ME will find their way to the 2017 paediatric primer written by ME/CFS specialists (Rowe et al) whose empathy and deep clinical understanding permeates its pages: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fped.2017.00121/full Might be good if someone on Twitter could share the link to the primer on that thread?



    Who knew it was possible to throw quite so many people under the bus in a single tweet? We’re gonna need more busses.



    Sending love to the relatives and friends of this family. I can only hope they don’t see Dr Vogt’s tweet.
     
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    JemPD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    What an abhorrent, repugnant & reprehensible display of the arrogant cruelty that we know so well.
     
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    I simply can't find strong enough words to express how utterly repulsive I find Vogt's tweet. It's incredible that any human being can say something that crass, especially someone who is paid to be in the profession of helping sick people. And for Michael Sharpe to 'Like' it - just...ugh. Repugnant birds of a feather.
     
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    Stuart Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    Besides the self-interest of these vultures it is in the nature of the psych lobby to make pronouncements based upon no evidence but their own opinions. In fact that is the basis of their whole profession.
     
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    Tom Kindlon Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The image that comes up may not be correct but I can't do anything about that. The link goes to a comment by Kirsi Örn who has posted the translation.
     
  7. Andy

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    Ah OK. The forum software, in trying to be helpful, cuts out the rest of the URL and simply sends me to the post, not to the individual comment. I've made an edit to your post, and listed the URL for the comment in a code box and added
     
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    Thanks for speaking out loud what I wouldn't dare to do publicly. I daresay it's true for "the others" as well.

    Appalling and disgusting!! Unbelievable. Shame on you, Henrik Vogt! Where's the puking emoji?
     
  9. Melanie

    Melanie Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I was pretty much waiting for someone to say this.
     
  10. Barry

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    Always going to be someone isn't there. The pattern of behaviour thing again, 'nicely' self-documented for the world to see.
     
  11. BruceInOz

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    The fact that he thought it ok to make that tweet and MS to like it does indicate how strongly wedded they are to the idea that it's all in our heads.
     
  12. Woolie

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    I tend to agree with @Andy. People like this should be called out on their bs. Politely and patiently, we should expose it for what it really is. Its not a good idea to allow a tweet like this to go unchallenged. People who don't know the field may think he's making a good point.
     
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    Little Bluestem Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Obviously!

    It must be Vogt.
     
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    I suggest that only insensitive arseholes are going to think he's making a good point.
     
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    My English fell a bit short I think. He's treating us with contempt and without empathy.
     
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    chrisb Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Don't worry about it. I am amazed by the English of you and many of our members. You even seem to understand jokes which pass others by.
     
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    Link added to thread.
     
  18. Amw66

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    I forwarded PDF copies of this to GP and paediatrician. GP is now up for looking to improve function via looking at comorbid conditions . Paediatrician would not divert from NICE guidelines ( even though we are in Scotland and there' s a wee bit mire flexibility in the wording). I don' t think she read it. It all depends on your doctor's/ consultant' s view.
     
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  20. Solstice

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    Vogt once again comes off looking stupid. Annoying if not harmful fella.
     

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