1. Guest, the 'News in Brief' for the week beginning 10th January 2022 is here.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Welcome! To read the Core Purpose and Values of our forum, click here.
    Dismiss Notice

Imaging Brain Mechanisms of Functional Somatic Syndromes: Potential as a Biomarker?, 2020, Kano et al

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Andy, Mar 7, 2020.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member (& Outreach when energy allows)

    Messages:
    15,177
    Location:
    Hampshire, UK
    To paraphrase, "We've found changes in the brains of people with "FSS", this then proves that "FSS" is valid category! It certainly doesn't mean that there is an actual disease mechanism at work, oh no!" :banghead:
    Open access, https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/tjem/250/3/250_137/_html/-char/en

    The conclusion
     
  2. Sean

    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    4,111
    Of course, it could not be remotely possible that the brain is being swamped by somatic stimuli arising from an as yet unrecognised biophysical pathology.

    No sirree. Definitely not that. It's all in the psycho-mind.

    Where's my knighthood?

    :rolleyes:
     
  3. Mithriel

    Mithriel Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,379
    :banghead::banghead::banghead:

    Here maybe all this banging my head against walls is causing my neurological problems and I do need some behavioural therapy!!!
     
  4. Mithriel

    Mithriel Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,379
    They assume a direction of causality, but it is just as possible that people diagnosed with FSS are unhappy with life because they have an idiot for a doctor.
     
  5. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    17,624
    Location:
    Australia
    If they were doing what I think they were doing, I think most people might be feeling a bit hypervigilant.
     
  6. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    17,624
    Location:
    Australia
    :facepalm: Oh FFS. I can't read anymore of this tonight.
     
  7. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    7,308
    Location:
    UK
    "Alexithymia (literally 'no words for feelings') refers to a person's inability to identify or verbally describe his or her feelings. The psychiatric syndrome is prevalent in patients with psychosomatic problems, substance abuse, and anxiety disorders, but alexithymic symptoms occur along a continuum."
    oh please.
     
    Caesar, alktipping, Mithriel and 8 others like this.
  8. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    10,323
    I have a feeling. I have a feeling this is a heap of sh*te.

    Edit - to be clear the research not Sly Saint's post!
     
  9. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,003
    Location:
    Canada
    It certainly doesn't hurt the hypothesis when your paper is full of self citations either.

    Admittedly that's just a cheap jab because I'm feeling uncharitable about a paper that makes sweeping assumptions then calls it science.
     
  10. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    10,323

    A further thought -

    I wonder has it ever occurred to any of these navel gazers that there might be a good reason for the patient's inability to describe how they feel. It might be the sensations they are feeling are completely beyond their normal experience and so they don't have words for it.

    For example - if I say PEM y'all know exactly what I mean. 10 years ago the term didn't exist. Now I know that's a not a word, but you get what I mean.

    Currently we have the word fatigue which utterly fails to describe how many of us feel. Perhaps that's still the case because the vocabulary of our illness has been forced on us by those who don't have a clue what our experience feels like.

    Also the term alexythmia is normally used when referring to emotional feelings and not sensations. Seems like they are playing a little loose with the term alexythmia or perhaps they just couldn't find the right word.
     
  11. Amw66

    Amw66 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    4,994
    I wish I had gone for creative writing. If this is anything to go by I could have excelled
     
  12. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    9,153
    Location:
    UK West Midlands
    How does Alexithymia fit with excessive focussing on symptoms and catastrophising. Or is it a case of you’re psychologised if you don’t talk openly about your symptoms and psychologised if you do talk openly about them. Demonstration of the heads I win tails you lose mentality of this group.
     
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2020
    Sean, Caesar, alktipping and 10 others like this.
  13. alktipping

    alktipping Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,021
    the ability of so called educated people to astound me with their stupidity is just overwhelming . do they not have their ridiculous papers proof read by at least some one who understands that littering a paper with supposedly clever words does not actually mean the paper is worthy of printing unless its for toilet paper . it reminds me of children who having heard a new word try to put it into as many sentences as possible in order to feel more intelligent than their friends in children this behaviour is cute a part of learning language in adults however it screams incompetence or a lack of understanding certainly not what I would expect from someone with a degree level of education in any none bullshit profession .
     
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2020
    Sean, Peter Trewhitt and Caesar like this.

Share This Page