Long Covid drug BC-007 research news

Discussion in 'Long Covid news' started by RedFox, Sep 7, 2022.

  1. Wyva

    Wyva Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,758
    Location:
    Budapest, Hungary
    Do we know why they have this one-year requirement? I mean they have a control group that only gets placebo, so I don't think they are planning to attribute the effect of the drug to the potential early natural recoveries. Do they believe the condition is a lot less likely to be reversible after the first year or why?

    Edit: my speculation: maybe of the patients they tried it on before the trial, only the ones who were ill for less than a year recovered? Which might point to the spontaneous early recovery known in ME/CFS. But maybe their interpretation is that the drug works better in the early stage. Just my speculation though.
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2023
  2. Sid

    Sid Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,190
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2023
  3. TiredSam

    TiredSam Committee Member

    Messages:
    10,573
    Location:
    Germany
    Tagesspiegel, 2024-02-09: Long-awaited active ingredient against Long Covid: Participants wanted for study with BC 007 (Interview with CEO of Berlin Cures, Oliver von Stein)

    Paywalled.

     
    Yann04, Hutan, Solstice and 4 others like this.
  4. RedFox

    RedFox Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,298
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Yann04, Hutan, Solstice and 4 others like this.
  5. EndME

    EndME Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,233
    Yann04, Hutan, Solstice and 4 others like this.
  6. forestglip

    forestglip Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,007
    • Estimated study completion date moved up from 2025-05-31 to 2024-11-30.
    • Follow-up period reduced from one year to 90 days.
    • Added this to inclusion criteria:
    ClinicalTrials.gov
     
    hotblack, RedFox, Kitty and 2 others like this.
  7. EndME

    EndME Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,233
    Supposedly this means they have some positive preliminary results, whatever that may actually mean, as I really don't see how it could be able to show a use given the failures of Rituximab and Efgartigimod and all studies finding no relevance of these aabs.
     
  8. Yann04

    Yann04 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    891
    Location:
    Switzerland (Romandie)
    Possibly in relation to other subtypes of long covid that aren’t ME/CFS.
     
    RedFox, Kitty, Peter Trewhitt and 2 others like this.
  9. EndME

    EndME Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,233
    That would be possible. But the again Efgartigimod trial was targeted at POTS and the BC007 didn't really look at any subtypes of LC, for instance neurological LC, or anything of that sort and the sample size wasn't too massive to really untangle any subtypes.

    We'll definitely have to wait for the data but it's certainly still possible that they interpreted the trial as positive given high natural recovery rates in the first few months of LC (not sure how they would have done that given they had a control group, but that data will have to be looked at). From what I recall the LC studies looking at GPCR aabs, without finding much, have also been fairly general and not only focused on ME/CFS (for instance Iwasaki's study). Of course it's also possible that the drug worked in some different way, who knows, but they would anyways not have any data to show that.

    I guess Rituximab also showed positive phase 2 data, but still ended up failing and showing no efficacy...
     
  10. V.R.T.

    V.R.T. Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    254

    In the early days they were talking a lot about bc007 improving red blood cell deformities and increasing tissue oxygenation or something along those lines. So perhaps its to do with that.

    Or perhaps the autoantibodies are somehow relevant even though the levels aren't associated with ME/LC. Efgartigimod wasn't precisely the same mechanism, was looking at POTS and there were enough patients that felt significantly better in that trial that they've got together to ask Argenx to release the full data for study. Which of course could be the high early recovery rate again.

    Or perhaps the BC007 trial has just failed.
     
  11. Kitty

    Kitty Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    6,985
    Location:
    UK
    The big reduction in the follow-up period suggests that might be the case.

    When we find something that really helps, the emphasis is more likely to be on extending the follow-up period to see how long benefit is sustained.
     
    hotblack, RedFox, Hutan and 5 others like this.
  12. V.R.T.

    V.R.T. Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    254
    Yeah I hope you're wrong but it seems like a distinct possibility. Unless they have found it helps but it's not a one and done thing like they claimed? Like monthly or whatever infusions needed and they want to move on to phase 3 faster. Or they just want to move onto phase 3 asap and do the follow up stuff there.
     
    hotblack, RedFox, EndME and 4 others like this.
  13. Kitty

    Kitty Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    6,985
    Location:
    UK
    I suppose if they got an excellent response in a high proportion of participants there might be an ethical argument for moving quickly to Phase III, but presumably they'd have to have the funder on board with it.

    I imagine it'd be less likely to wash if they needed new funding for Phase III. Funders will look at how they've conducted the groundwork, and cutting the follow-up period by 75% looks iffy—specially if the team hasn't already got an established relationship with them.
     
    hotblack, forestglip, RedFox and 4 others like this.
  14. SNT Gatchaman

    SNT Gatchaman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    5,923
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    Berlin Cures Welcomes Renowned Immunologist Professor Danny Altmann to its Advisory Board

     
    MEMarge, hotblack, RedFox and 4 others like this.
  15. Murph

    Murph Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    150
    Berlin Cures will reveal the results of the BC007 Phase II trial in November at a Long Covid conference.

    https://www.berlincures.com/en/news/demystifying-long-covid-interntaional-conference-2024

    "Dr. Oliver von Stein, CEO, and Dr. Axel Mescheder, CMO, will represent Berlin Cures at the event and will present the latest results from a Phase II trial of BC 007 in Long COVID patients. Prof. Danny Altmann, immunologist from Imperial College London and member of the Advisory Board of Berlin Cures, will also be attending."

    I don't think you send the CEO if the results are bad! I started very skeptical on BC007 but I will listen with interest and gee I'd love to find out I was wrong to doubt them.
     
    Ash, RedFox, forestglip and 8 others like this.
  16. Joan Crawford

    Joan Crawford Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    703
    Location:
    Warton, Carnforth, Lancs, UK
    Indeed :)

    This, fingers crossed, will be interesting.

    I've not delved into this for some time so I'm hoping they are using objective outcome measures? :)

    I hope it gives patients and their doctors some hope.
     
    Kitty, Murph, Ash and 9 others like this.
  17. Joan Crawford

    Joan Crawford Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    703
    Location:
    Warton, Carnforth, Lancs, UK
    Primary outcome measure is a fatigue scale

    "To compare efficacy of BC 007 (double dose 1350 mg and double dose 1900 mg) with placebo based on Functional Assessment of Chronic Illness Therapy-Fatigue (FACIT-F) Scale in long COVID participants.

    FACIT-F is a five-point scale from 0 (not at all) to 4 (very much). The maximum composite scale is 52 (range 0 to 52). Higher scores mean a better outcome."

    The trial is double blinded so not such an issue; however, real world changes need to be demonstrated, for example, return to work (or equivalent) etc.
     
  18. CorAnd

    CorAnd Established Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    60

    Attached Files:

    Kitty, Yann04, hotblack and 3 others like this.
  19. CorAnd

    CorAnd Established Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    60
    Sad news.
     

    Attached Files:

    MSEsperanza, Wonko, chillier and 6 others like this.
  20. forestglip

    forestglip Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,007
    Full news release

    "Berlin Cures AG informs about the status of topline results of BC 007 in Long Covid from the randomized and double-blind Phase 2 trial, which has been conducted by its affiliate Berlin Cures GmbH.

    The analyses of the main endpoints did not show evidence of superior efficacy of the BC 007 treatment arms over the placebo arm. The data do suggest, along with previous trials, that BC 007 is safe and well tolerated.

    Further in-depth analyses have not been conducted. Due to financial constraints, Berlin Cures GmbH was forced to stop all activities.

    Berlin Cures would like to thank all the patients who participated in the trial, the physicians and clinical trial sites and its supporters who have made it possible to conduct the clinical Phase 2 trial."
     
    John Mac, MSEsperanza, Wonko and 17 others like this.

Share This Page