MEAction: Join Our Values and Policy Initiative! September 2019

But at least from the sources I've read, the standards for "evidence-based medicine" accept the best practices of clinical experts as evidence - admittedly at the lowest level of evidence but still acknowledged as evidence. How do we reconcile that with the statement above?

Could it be helpful to refer to the Declaration of Helsinki, last paragraph?

Unproven Interventions in Clinical Practice

37. In the treatment of an individual patient, where proven interventions do not exist or other known interventions have been ineffective, the physician, after seeking expert advice, with informed consent from the patient or a legally authorised representative, may use an unproven intervention if in the physician’s judgement it offers hope of saving life, re-establishing health or alleviating suffering. This intervention should subsequently be made the object of research, designed to evaluate its safety and efficacy.

In all cases, new information must be recorded and, where appropriate, made publicly available.
[My bolding]

https://www.wma.net/policies-post/w...or-medical-research-involving-human-subjects/

Once again, apologies for skipping most of the thread and just popping in.
Thank you @Michiel Tack for working on this and thank you to all who contributed.
 
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WHY CIVIL DISAGREEMENT AND RESPECT ARE ESSENTIAL TO THE ME MOVEMENT

As someone immersed in ME advocacy, internal tensions within the community often seem peculiar and particular. From the outside, other movements appear cohesive and focused.

However, there is nothing new about disagreement. If the outcome is important to someone, it increases the chances that they will risk social tension for the chance that their opinion will win the argument. Pay attention to any other issue that provokes commitment in any movement, and you will hear many people ‘caring loudly’.

Constructive conflict
Civil disagreement is vital to the success of any organisation. If we were effective at stamping out divergent opinions within ME advocacy we would become stale and lose direction more predictably than a New Year’s Eve party triggers post exertional malaise. Political systems where people are allowed to disagree publicly foster a more creative and innovative culture than authoritarian regimes.
https://www.meaction.net/2019/09/29...and-respect-are-essential-to-the-me-movement/
 
Interesting ME Action interview with Wilhelmina Jenkins about ethnicity and the undiagnosed:
https://www.meaction.net/2019/10/14...a-more-inclusive-movement-and-why-it-matters/

Powerful quote:
If people of color do not see images of people of their own race and ethnicity with this disease, they are unlikely to consider ME/CFS as the source of their suffering. If the overworked physicians who care for underserved communities are not informed about how severe this disease can be and how they can recognize it in their patient populations, those patients will be left to struggle alone. When medicine cannot provide answers, those affected are likely to resort to self-blame, self medication, or even suicide. The results can be disastrous.
 
But at least from the sources I've read, the standards for "evidence-based medicine" accept the best practices of clinical experts as evidence - admittedly at the lowest level of evidence but still acknowledged as evidence. How do we reconcile that with the statement above?

I don't think that is right. 'Clinical experts' do not come into it, only evidence. I am not sure what 'best practice' means other than practice based on reliable evidence in this context.

Experts may be useful in pointing out potential flaws in what looks like reliable evidence but that is about all. The whole point of EBM is to abandon the notion of practice based on 'expert consensus' as it used to be in the 1970s.
 
I don't think that is right. 'Clinical experts' do not come into it, only evidence.
This is from the GRADE handbook:
Expert opinion is not a category of quality of evidence. Expert opinion represents an interpretation of evidence in the context of experts' experiences and knowledge. Experts may have opinion about evidence that may be based on interpretation of studies ranging from uncontrolled case series (e.g. observations in expert’s own practice) to randomized trials and systematic reviews known to the expert. It is important to describe what type of evidence (whether published or unpublished) is being used as the basis for interpretation.

Link: https://gdt.gradepro.org/app/handbook/handbook.html#h.3183vuv3ey12
 
3. what i want meaction to do

i want meaction to initiate and support bold
legal action, including but not limited to criminal charges.

i view meaction as the only charity that can really do this at this time.

the who constitution and later documents hold that humans
have a fundamental right to [paraphrase] the highest attainable standard of health without discrimination.

for what it is worth, this is law. in addition, it is, unusually, non-derogable, which means something like "you can't !@$# with it".

therefore, for #meaction documents i would suggest considering the standard of care language of un factsheet 31 or general comment 14 as a coordinated strategy with an explicit human rights model. m.e. politics is fundamentally a human rights issue.

I think legal action could be a very valuable component of ME activism in general and of the current #MEAction #NotEnough4ME campaign specifically. Even if an action (eg filing a complaint with an oversight body) is unlikely to "succeed" in terms of a ruling that forces the changes we want, it still exerts pressure on the target entity to do what we want just to avoid getting caught up in time-draining and money-sucking legal or oversight activity.

@Samuel, you seem passionate about this approach and well-versed in (at least some elements of) international law governing health-related human rights, which would figure into any such legal filings. Would you be interested in taking the lead on starting such an #MEAction initiative, as part of the NIH #NotEnough4ME campaign or as a stand-alone project? I bet there are other people in the ME community who would be interested in helping out with such an initiative, including the lawyers among us.

I'm interested myself and would love to be involved, though my plate is currently full with helping get other elements of the NIH campaign up and running. I would be happy, though, to chat now about potential options for a legal action.

I strongly encourage you to contact Ben HsuBorger, the #MEAction Community and Campaigns Director, who is coordinating the campaign and currently seeking ideas from the community as well as people who'd like to get involved in helping shape the campaign. He can most likely connect you to other volunteers who are interested in this kind of approach or have the legal skillset to work on it, and support you in getting a group effort off the ground. You can email him at ben@meaction.net or set up an individual phone call with him from the MEAction website. Even if you don't think you have the capacity to do much on this front, I think it's still worth connecting with Ben about it. You can tell him Claudia (my real name) suggested you reach out to him. :)
 
from an email
Researchers and clinicians weigh in on diagnostic criteria
#MEAction’s community-based model leverages the strengths of our staff team to support, organize and amplify the voices of thousands of volunteers, activists, people with ME, and allies around the world. Our community is diverse. Many of our volunteers and activists hold differing viewpoints regarding what tactics we should use, what policy outcomes we should fight for, and what values should guide us.

We've grown so much over the past three years, with over 50,000 individuals taking part in advocacy actions with us! This fall, we launched the Values & Policy Initiative to come together, discuss, debate and make explicit our values and policies.

Among all the issues we can address, the diagnostic and research criteria are one of the most potentially contentious. We have conducted many community surveys over the years to better understand how patients and caregivers think about criteria. However, we've never surveyed clinicians and researchers on their views or asked how they use criteria in their research or clinical practice.

To inform the decision about whether #MEAction USA, #MEAction UK, and #MEAction Scotland should update their official stances on criteria, or adopt an official stance on criteria at all, we surveyed nearly two dozen clinicians and researchers. Here is what we found:

  • The Canadian Consensus Criteria (CCC) were the most popular criteria among clinicians and researchers, followed by the Institutes of Medicine Criteria (IOM/NAM) and then third, the International Consensus Criteria (ICC).
  • When asked which criteria advocacy groups should fight for, a plurality of clinicians and researchers––32%––did not want advocacy organizations to advocate for a specific criteria at all.
We also recently published a piece by Lucinda Bateman which explains why the US ME/CFS Clinician Coalition uses the IOM/NAM criteria in its efforts to educate other clinicians about ME/CFS. (Note: no analogous group or consensus has yet been formed among researchers.)

Scroll down to see a summary of responses. Hear from clinicians and researchers how they view the strengths and weaknesses of various criteria, and why many think advocacy organizations should not advocate for specific criteria. We plan to discuss this as a community in the coming weeks. Stay tuned for updates regarding public conversations and debates to come.

Sincerely,

Jaime Seltzer
Director of Scientific and Medical Outreach
#MEAction
As part of our Values and Policy process, #MEAction designed a survey regarding the diagnostic criteria for ME, ME/cfs, and CFS; we then sent that survey to clinicians who treat or have treated pwME as their main patient population, and researchers who study ME as one of their main areas of focus. We contacted 65 researchers and clinicians, receiving 22 completed survey questionnaires and four sets of stand-alone comments via email. No biopsychosocial (BPS) theorists or clinicians, who view the disease as treatable via changes in behavior, were contacted. Read the full survey results here.

The Canadian Consensus Criteria was judged best definition for research and clinical use, for both specialist and mainstream medical practitioners.

Though some questions required a definitive answer, while in others, responders were able to choose multiple sets of criteria, the most popular responses for every question about criteria were, in order:

1. Canadian Consensus Criteria (CCC)

2. National Academies of Medicine / Institute of Medicine criteria (NAM/IOM)

3. International Consensus Criteria (ICC)


Which definitions are appropriate?
There were significant gaps between the popularity of the responses. For example, 82% of responders agreed that CCC is appropriate for clinical use, including 100% of clinicians surveyed. 64% considered NAM/IOM appropriate for clinical use, and 41% agreed ICC is appropriate for clinical use. Note that responders could choose as many answers as they thought were appropriate.
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When responders were asked which criteria were appropriate in a research context, once again the Canadian Consensus Criteria led, with the gap closing between CCC and the IOM/NAM set of criteria. Once again, responders could choose as many criteria as they considered appropriate for research use.
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Which definitions are best?
When asked which set of criteria was best suited to clinical use and only able to choose one answer, once again, the Canadian Consensus Criteria (CCC) came out far ahead of the other potential choices. The Institute of Medicine criteria came in a distant second.
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When asked to choose only one set of criteria for research, the numbers were much the same:

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When responders were asked which set of criteria was best for mainstream medical practitioners, the gap between CCC and IOM/NAM closed significantly, but the order remained the same:

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Why did ME-literate researchers and clinicians consistently choose the Canadian Consensus Criteria?
In their own words:


“Often [in] some patients either cognition, pain or sleep is not affected - so the Canadian criteria has more flexibility to include these patients.”


“CCC best defines all the presenting aspects of illness. The IOM criteria are more straightforward, good for screening using the core symptoms, are evidence-based and widely available to all practicing clinicians.”
IOM is a simplified version of CCC: a way to get a GP to recognize the disease when they see it and refer out to a specialist. CCC captures a specific cohort and has the four required symptoms of fatigue, PEM, sleep dysfunction, and pain with symptoms from specific categories. Since ICC requires PEM/PENE and a sampling of other symptoms, it may capture people with other complex chronic illnesses more easily than CCC.”
“I think that CCC delimits the most homogeneous group.


“The CCC is the best of the options but open to criticism.”


“Fairly comprehensive, and clinician approved.


“It has the most required symptoms.


CCC best fits many of the symptoms that the patients have, and it requires PEM. Any definition that doesn't require PEM shouldn't be used.”


What should advocacy organizations fight for?
But is this what advocacy organizations should be working on? The most common answer was no, with about 1/3 of responders in agreement.
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About 1 out of 4 of ME-literate clinicians and researchers agreed advocating for the Canadian Consensus Criteria was sensible, and the same number agreed on NAM/IOM-related advocacy. Only two of the 22 responders agreed that ICC advocacy was a good choice.

One out of three researchers and clinicians don’t think advocacy organizations should fight for any particular set of criteria. Why not?
In their own words:



“The support of the patient advocacy organizations has been fundamental for the advancements on ME/CFS research and health care.... However, I would not single out any of them, as each of them have strong and weak points.”


“Tempted to say advocacy orgs should abandon advocating for any one set of criteria, but how we define the disease is important. It's more the snafu it creates with patients. My sense is that the criteria have become more of a sense of identity for patients than anything related to research or clinical work, and that a lot of people are being misled re: what constitutes evidence.


“If patients’ organizations advocate for anything regarding definitions, I feel advocating for more research comparing/ contrasting definitions is important. This doesn't mean just comparing symptom presentations but how different definitions may lead to different prognoses, be associated with different biomarkers/ etiologies, respond differently to treatment. Without good data, everything is speculation.

“Definitions in and of themselves aren't the end all: rather it's about how they can help clinicians care better for patients or help researchers learn more about a disease. My feeling is that the lay public believes there is more evidence to inform which definition is the "best" than there currently is. Also, what the public believes to be good evidence is very different than what clinicians and researchers believe to be good evidence. Finally, patients can sometimes let emotion, popular opinion, etc, shape or sway their ideas too easily.

“Clinicians and scientists aren't immune to popularity or emotion either but the point is to be aware of and guard against such influences.

Early opposition in some circles against the NAM criteria may have set this whole field back, creating confusion, when current research continues to suggest that exertional intolerance is the heart of this illness. Some of that might be simply a knee-jerk reaction to change rather than a careful assessment.”


Should we fight for one set of criteria? Which set of criteria, and if so, why?
 
Training opportunity to join our UK and Scotland social media teams
Being able to communicate information effectively and efficiently is key to much of the work #MEAction does. We are looking for new volunteers to join us. If you’d like to help us reach and engage our target audiences, we’d welcome you in our social media teams. Don’t worry if you have no previous experience – right now we have 6 places available on a digital marketing training course. Scroll down to sign up!

Over a 5 week period, #MEAction UK and #MEAction Scotland’s social media team will be running a course working through Media Trust’s Digital Marketing Strategy webinar series. Media Trust is a communications charity working in partnership with the media and creative industries, encouraging them to share their time and expertise with small charities, under-represented communities and young people.

The series consists of three modules designed to help us build a Digital Marketing Strategy to effectively promote our work online, reach and engage audiences and improve the effectiveness of our campaigning work, which is at the heart of everything we do.

The webinars cover key areas for developing a digital marketing strategy including; Digital Marketing Strategy: The Basics, Content and Tactics and Digital Marketing Channels.

We will be running a total of 5 weekly sessions every Wednesday at 11am starting on the 16th September.
full details here
https://www.meaction.net/2020/09/03...ia-teams/?mc_cid=92117f4818&mc_eid=c1fdea04b1
 
Why on earth did they call themselves MEAction when it's so easily confused with ActionForME (who are alleged to support the PACE trial and the BPS view of ME)?
 
Why on earth did they call themselves MEAction when it's so easily confused with ActionForME (who are alleged to support the PACE trial and the BPS view of ME)?
MEAction is based in the USA with groups in other countries. I guess they may not have been aware of Action for ME which is only in the UK.

Action for ME used to support PACE and the BPS view of ME. They don't now.
 
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